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  1. #106

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster



    Seems as Hines doesn't quite "get it" about his contract and how he could possible be back. Restructuring and pushing money off into next year just isn't going to be an option.

    Some quotes in here also show how bad the cap situation really is. Despite reports of "$20-25 million over" Hines (who I think would know a lot better than anyone else) says it is $30 million....closer to my number.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12034/1207805-66.stm

    INDIANAPOLIS -- Hines Ward talked to Mike Tomlin on Monday at the Steelers facility on the South Side and to team president Art Rooney II earlier, letting them know he wants to play in 2012 in Pittsburgh.

    "I just wanted to let them know I want to be here, I want to play," said Ward, who on Sunday will be part of NBC's five-hour Super Bowl pregame show. "I have two years on my contact. I know I have to restructure, but, under the circumstances, I think I can still play football."

    "We have so many issues, we're $30 million over the cap," Ward said. "We have to figure a way to get that down. My cap number is not huge if I restructure [$4 million in salary]. There's like 10 other guys they have to get. "They really didn't say [definitively]. It wasn't good, it wasn't bad. We were just talking."
    Hines let me explain this to you, a restructure is not a "pay cut". The only way for you to be back is to release you and then sign you to a vet minimum deal. There won't be any restructures of your contract bud.

    Oh and I like how he mentions the TEN other guys that are going to have to redo their deals. If the Steelers are smart they will just purge now, because if they restructure all these deals AGAIN, the cap numbers for 2013 are going to be astronomical and the roster will end up being top heavy with no depth.

    Sometimes you have to just bite the bullet.




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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    What Hines 'doesn't get' could fill a library.




  3. #108

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Don't laugh at Hines, one day he will be a mayor for some town in S Korea.Might be sooner then expected if he isn't retained by the steelers.




  4. #109

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    The only way Ward will be a Steeler is if they cut him and he comes back at a much lower salary. The Steelers have no incentive to push next year's salary off for him, since it's not guaranteed. Why push it off when they can save the whole thing now?

    Hampton's ACL surgery also pretty much guarantees he will be cut. Hoke has already retired. Smith will likely be next once the Steelers opt not to bring him back.




  5. #110

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    What? The boards I am active on acknowledge it plainly. How many threads does there need to be for an "acknowldgement." One or two threads should suffice for a single topic. Yes, some guys will be gone. What do you want to see? A thousand threads lamenting the situation? No matter what happens with the roster, I will say the Steelers will be competitive. And the Ravens and Steelers games will be as competitive as ever. Especially if the players we do have remain healthy, I am looking forward to seeing Roethlisberger not get maimed for once.

    The cap will work itself out, it has to. And yes, you are right, this Ravens board has better information than a Steelers board. No question. Because Ravens fans know the Steelers better than the Steelers fans. Typical fan-base sensationalism and fantastic statements with no basis in reality. I don't get why some fans think they are always better than other fans. The best is term is "class act." Whenever I hear that I just roll my eyes. And yes, some Steelers fans are guilty of that stuff too.



    Quote Originally Posted by SteelFaninBMore View Post
    My thoughts exactly. Good discussion. This thread will be exhibit A the next time I get asked why a Steelers fan is posting on a Ravens board. Because you don't get this info on Steeler boards. Most of them don't even acknowledge that a cap problem exists, and the few that do (like scout) believe it's overblown and the front office will magically fix it and keep the whole roster intact.




  6. #111

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    The word is he stated he would be willing to accept a diminished role with a pay cut. He does want to come back, that much is known for sure. I hope he does, he still has the ability to make key plays. But as we know, with the advent of some youth on the team, he has not had as much opportunity. Cotchery wants to come back too - which provides even more competition for playing time.

    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    The only way Ward will be a Steeler is if they cut him and he comes back at a much lower salary. The Steelers have no incentive to push next year's salary off for him, since it's not guaranteed. Why push it off when they can save the whole thing now?

    Hampton's ACL surgery also pretty much guarantees he will be cut. Hoke has already retired. Smith will likely be next once the Steelers opt not to bring him back.




  7. #112

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    The word is he stated he would be willing to accept a diminished role with a pay cut. He does want to come back, that much is known for sure. I hope he does, he still has the ability to make key plays. But as we know, with the advent of some youth on the team, he has not had as much opportunity. Cotchery wants to come back too - which provides even more competition for playing time.
    I don't believe the CBA allows him to agree to take less money outright, but I could be wrong. I would think the Players' Association would flip over that.

    He could reach an agreement to be cut and then come back at whatever salary is agreed to - but I think technically he would still need to be cut - even if his intention all along is to come back to the Steelers. I guess it's really just semantics. He can just agree to be cut and come back at the vet minimum - I don't really see any other way it would work.

    At the end of the day the cap issues won't have a major impact on the Steelers' starters - but it will mean they have to go with a young bench and lose some veteran leadership. They also won't be major players in FA - although that's really not a change from the norm.




  8. #113

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    You are correct. Nothing has been said yet though. Every team has their legacy players. As much as I like the guy, and respect what he has done and would love to see him come back, it might be best for him to leave on his terms. Meaning just retire with his record fresh in his memory and not leave it up to the Steelers organization. Sometimes players stick around too long.

    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    I don't believe the CBA allows him to agree to take less money outright, but I could be wrong. I would think the Players' Association would flip over that.

    He could reach an agreement to be cut and then come back at whatever salary is agreed to - but I think technically he would still need to be cut - even if his intention all along is to come back to the Steelers. I guess it's really just semantics. He can just agree to be cut and come back at the vet minimum - I don't really see any other way it would work.

    At the end of the day the cap issues won't have a major impact on the Steelers' starters - but it will mean they have to go with a young bench and lose some veteran leadership. They also won't be major players in FA - although that's really not a change from the norm.




  9. #114

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Woodley just re-structured, saving $6.5 mill. this year. Likely the first of several restructures. And then come the cuts.




  10. #115

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    I hope this is not a double post - something went wonky when I replied - anyway . . .

    McFadden an Battle were cut, saving about 3.5 more. It seems they have shaved about 10 million so far. More to come. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    Woodley just re-structured, saving $6.5 mill. this year. Likely the first of several restructures. And then come the cuts.




  11. #116

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Only 20 more million to go.

    And now Woodley is carrying massive cap numbers for the next 4 years. Starting Qb type cap numbers around 13 million.
    Last edited by 52decleetzu; 02-08-2012 at 10:50 PM.




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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Only 20 more million to go.

    And now Woodley is carrying massive cap numbers for the next 4 years. Starting Qb type cap numbers around 13 million.
    I don't know the details of it, are you saying they're just kicking the can down the road?




  13. #118

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I don't know the details of it, are you saying they're just kicking the can down the road?
    Yes - that's the only way salary cap restructures work. The money still gets billed against the cap eventually. The goal is to kick it into one year where the team isn't really contending - then eat a bunch of it then.




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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Embrace the inevitable.
    "When questioned, the Elders explained that they were in search of magical powers. However, they're actually searching for the whereabouts of a certain ring. This ring is a legendary treasure that long ago was known to exist"




  15. #120

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Now the word on the street says the rams have asked permission to speak to the Steelers "capologist" Omar Khan about their GM job. Interesting indeed. Don't have a link but read it on Profootballtalk.com




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