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  1. #91

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster



    Here is an update with some stuff I have been reading....

    Projected with cap numbers

    Quarterback: (3)

    Ben Roethilsberger....16,920,000 UC
    Dennis Dixon..............1,000,000 UFA
    Charlie Batch..............1,000,000 UFA

    Sub Total - 18,920,000

    Running Back: (5)

    Rashard Mendenhall.....3,427,500 UC
    Issac Redman.................540,000 EFA
    Mewelde Moore.............1,000,000 UFA
    Jonathan Dwyer...............565,948 UC
    David Johnson..............1,260,000 RFA

    Sub Total - 6,793,448

    Offensive Line: (10)

    Maurkice Pouncey...........2,166,750 UC
    Marcus Gilbert...................733,503 UC
    Jonathan Scott...............2,700,000 UC
    Ramon Foster.................1,260,000 RFA
    Doug Legursky................1,260,000 RFA
    Trai Essex.......................1,000,000 UFA
    Jamon Meredith..................800,000 UC
    Willie Colon.....................5,700,000 UC
    Greg Warren.......................925,000 UC
    Max Starks?.....................1,000,000 UFA

    Sub Total - 17,545,253

    Tight End: (3)

    Heath Miller.....................7,070,500 UC
    Weslye Saunders................466,333 UC
    Draft Pick(5)......................400,000 N/A

    Sub Total - 7,936,833

    Wide Receiver: (5)

    Mike Wallace....................2,750,000 RFA
    Antonio Brown.....................564,359 UC
    Emmanuel Sanders..............735,357 UC
    Jerricho Cotchery..............1,000,000 UFA
    Arnez Battle.....................1,362,500 UC

    Sub Total - 6,412,216

    Defensive End: (4)

    Brett Keisel...................4,500,000 UC
    Evander Hood...................1,728,535 UC
    Cameron Heyward.............1,523,870 UC
    Draft Pick(2)........................700,000 N/A


    Sub Total - 8,452,405

    Defensive Tackle: (4)

    Steve McLendon...................540,000 EFA
    Draft Pick (1).....................1,200,000 N/A
    Draft Pick (6)........................300,000 N/A
    UDFA....................................100,000 N/A

    Sub Total - 2,140,000

    Outside Linebacker: (4)

    LaMarr Woodley....................7,100,000 UC (restructure)
    James Harrison.....................9,030,000 UC
    Jason Worilds..........................895,000 UC
    Chris Carter............................505,700 UC

    Sub Total - 17,530,700

    Inside Linebacker: (3)

    Lawrence Timmons..............5,125,000 UC (restructure)
    Farrior/Foote.........................3,825,000 UC
    Stevenson Sylvester.................578,854 UC

    Sub total - 9,528,854

    Corner: (6)

    Keenan Lewis.......................1,260,000 RFA
    William Gay.........................1,250,000 UFA
    Curtis Brown...........................595,300 UC
    Cortez Allen............................562,875 UC
    Draft Pick(4)............................400,000 N/A
    Draft Pick (7)...........................100,000 N/A

    Sub Total - 4,168,175

    Safety: (4)

    Troy Polamalu.......................8,887,500 UC
    Ryan Clark............................4,250,000 UC
    Ryan Mundy..........................1,260,000 RFA
    Draft Pick(3)............................600,000 N/A

    Sub Total - 14,997,500

    Kicker and Punter: (2)

    Shaun Suisham.......................1,687,500 N/A
    Punter......................................400,000 N/A

    Sub Total - 2,087,500

    Now that all adds up to 116,512,884 with all 53 players. Say 116 million with just the top 51 players. Add in the 2.4 million for dead money and we are up to about 118.4 million. Add in 6 million for dead money for the guys they release and they are at 124.4 million, probably exactly where the cap is going to be at. They got a big time relief of about 8 million with the Woodley and Timmons restructures due to roster bonuses built into the contract that can be converted to signing bonus and spread out over the remaining years.


    -Woodley and Timmons can restructure, adding about 1 to 1.5 million to each of their cap numbers for the next 4-5 years or so.

    -Suisham is no savings if cut really, and with 3 years on the deal he is likely to be back from what I read.

    -Keisel coming back even though he is 34, again minimal savings if cut.
    Last edited by 52decleetzu; 01-14-2012 at 01:53 AM.




  2. #92
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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Didn't Woodley and Timmons just sign their new extensions?
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  3. #93

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Didn't Woodley and Timmons just sign their new extensions?
    Yes, and that is what makes them prime candidates for restructuring, with money not paid out yet that can be converted to signing bonus...

    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/01...ons-contracts/

    LOL at the website blocking copying the text. Only in Pittsburgh SMH.




  4. #94

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Reading all this stuff about the Steelers got me interested in the Ravens cap situation. I'm certainly no cap expert so I did a lot of digging through bmoreravor's columns, rotoworld, and spotrac to come up with these #'s.

    QB:
    Joe Flacco - 8,000,000 (No idea what his cap # is due to incentives)
    Tyrod Taylor - 491,275

    RB:
    Ricky Williams - 1,575,000 (1.4m in incentives could increase this # if they're LTBE)
    Anthony Allen - 477,500
    Vonta Leach - 4,333,333

    WR:
    Anquan Boldin - 8,000,000
    Lee Evans - 5,507,500 (The restructure makes this a bit confusing)
    Torrey Smith - 765,725
    David Reed - 584,667
    Tandon Doss - 568,140

    TE:
    Ed Dickson - 760,833
    Dennis Pitta - 663,667

    OL:
    Bryant McKinnie- 4,000,000
    Marshal Yanda - 6,500,000
    Michael Oher - 2,040,000
    Jah Reid - 605,810
    Ramon Harewood - 564,723

    DL:
    Haloti Ngata - 10,400,000
    Terrence Cody - 820,000
    Arthur Jones - 584,500
    Pernell McPhee - 501,140

    LB:
    Terrell Suggs - 11,520,000
    Ray Lewis - 6,850,000
    Paul Kruger - 865,000

    CB:
    Jimmy Smith - 1,695,500
    Chris Carr - 3,750,000
    Domonique Foxworth - 8,600,000
    Emanuel Cook - 540,000
    Chykie Brown - 501,140

    S:
    Ed Reed - 8,500,000
    Bernard Pollard - 2,585,000

    S/T:
    Billy Cundiff - 2,800,000
    Sam Koch - 2,000,000

    Dead Money:
    Willis McGahee - 3,750,000
    Kelly Gregg - 789,000


    Total Value: 112,489,453


    Restricted Free Agents:
    Lardarius Webb
    Cary Williams
    Dannell Ellerbe
    Danny Gorrer

    Unrestricted Free Agents:
    Ray Rice
    Ben Grubbs
    Matt Birk
    Andre Gurode
    Kris Wilson
    Cory Redding
    Jarret Johnson
    Jameel McClain
    Brendon Ayanbadejo
    Brandon Mckinney
    Haruki Nakamura
    Tom Zbikowski

    Exclusive Rights Free Agents: (I'm assuming all these guys are EFA's)
    Morgan Cox
    Sergio Kindle
    Matt Lawrence
    Justin Boren
    Albert McClellan
    Michael McAdoo
    Chavis Williams
    LaQuan Williams


    * Cutting Foxworth and Evans should save us close to 10m against the cap
    * If Ed Reed decides to Retire or gets released we would save another 7.2m.
    * The projected 120m salary cap for 2012 could be closer to 130m for the Ravens if they used the loophole illustrated below by bmoreravor

    If the Ravens choose not to, or fail to, sign anyone to a contract extension by late November, they still have options with the surplus Cap space. As they (and many other teams) have done in the past, they can renegotiate some contracts by inserting "phony” incentives into those deals allowing them to carry any excess 2011 Salary Cap space over into 2012, thereby increasing their 2012 Cap space.

    This loophole, which existed in the prior CBA, was not closed by the new CBA, so teams still have the ability to carry excess Salary Cap room from year to year. This is accomplished by renegotiating a contract (or contracts) during the season and writing in Not Likely To Be Earned (NLTBE) incentives.

    Normally, NLTBE incentives do not count against the 2011 Cap, but – for some reason – the CBA says that they do if they are added during the season. As such, the full amount of those incentives immediately counts against the 2011 Cap, essentially eating up the excess Cap space. If unearned – and they would be written so that they would go unearned – the team receives a credit the following year for those unearned incentives. As such, that amount would be carried over into 2012 and would increase the team’s Cap space.

    http://ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Mo...ound-cap-space
    Last edited by Reedpixuoff; 01-14-2012 at 10:46 PM.




  5. #95

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelFaninBMore View Post
    My thoughts exactly. Good discussion. This thread will be exhibit A the next time I get asked why a Steelers fan is posting on a Ravens board. Because you don't get this info on Steeler boards. Most of them don't even acknowledge that a cap problem exists, and the few that do (like scout) believe it's overblown and the front office will magically fix it and keep the whole roster intact.
    As long as they have Big Ben and the trio of young receivers they will remain competitive. They will probably cut some guys and then resign them for more cap-friendly deals. Nothing to see here.




  6. #96

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    As long as they have Big Ben and the trio of young receivers they will remain competitive. They will probably cut some guys and then resign them for more cap-friendly deals. Nothing to see here.
    They may not keep Wallace, though. I could see a team giving up a first for him.




  7. #97

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    I have seen 2 figures, the Ravens have either about 7-8 million or 5-6 million to drag from the cap of 2011 into 2012? Wonder which is more accurate? Also Foxworth will be cut, Evans likely restructured or cut? If so that leaves the Ravens about anywhere between 25 million to 30 million under the cap to ink Rice, Grubbs and center. The rough call will be JJ, he will be 31 in August, doubt he will cost that much, based on age and he isn't really a pass rusher which earns $. Ravens are in good shape. Especially compared to the Steelers, about a 50+ million difference.




  8. #98

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by KidSampson View Post
    They may not keep Wallace, though. I could see a team giving up a first for him.
    Another team could offer a bigger contract to Wallace, though forcing them to match it, hurting their cap situation worse. I bet the Patriots go for it, they have no deep threat and 2 late number 1 picks. Typical Patriot move, or maybe the Bengals, they are losing Simpson and have lots of cap space and 2 number 1 picks also. Good way to strengthen your team and hurt rival.




  9. #99

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    There is no chance that they cut Ike Taylor. And frankly, it makes me question the intelligence of the Steelers fan who has been posting in this thread if he even thinks that is a remote possibility.

    Ike is the best CB they have, by far. Yeah, he had the worst game of his career against the Donks, but that was an outlier. Anyone who follows the Steelers closely would know that he performed at a pro-bowl level against the opposing teams #1 receivers. He was snubbed, much like Webb of the Ravens.




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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dball41 View Post
    Ike is the best CB they have, by far. Yeah, he had the worst game of his career against the Donks, but that was an outlier. Anyone who follows the Steelers closely would know that he performed at a pro-bowl level against the opposing teams #1 receivers. He was snubbed, much like Webb of the Ravens.
    I agree. Taylor was (a) put in a real vulnerable spot by LeBeua against the Broncos and (b) got zero help from Palomalu deep over the middle. Taylor had a bad game, but it wasn't all his fault, imo.




  11. #101

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dball41 View Post
    There is no chance that they cut Ike Taylor. And frankly, it makes me question the intelligence of the Steelers fan who has been posting in this thread if he even thinks that is a remote possibility.

    Ike is the best CB they have, by far. Yeah, he had the worst game of his career against the Donks, but that was an outlier. Anyone who follows the Steelers closely would know that he performed at a pro-bowl level against the opposing teams #1 receivers. He was snubbed, much like Webb of the Ravens.
    They won't cut Taylor for the simple fact they just gave him a long term deal and they wouldn't save that much by dumping him, or should I say what they would save would be the going rate for a starting corner so it would be a wash.

    I do find it funny that according to all these people who have no clue about the cap, almost every single player is coming back - just at a reduced rate, when they are $30 million over the cap. It can't happen, and heads will roll. We just don't know which ones. Something has to give.




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    It will be difficult for the Steelers to continuously convince players to restructure their deals.
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  13. #103

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dball41 View Post
    There is no chance that they cut Ike Taylor. And frankly, it makes me question the intelligence of the Steelers fan who has been posting in this thread if he even thinks that is a remote possibility.

    Ike is the best CB they have, by far. Yeah, he had the worst game of his career against the Donks, but that was an outlier. Anyone who follows the Steelers closely would know that he performed at a pro-bowl level against the opposing teams #1 receivers. He was snubbed, much like Webb of the Ravens.
    Hope you're right, and I agree that Taylor is the by far the best DB, even including the game against Denver.

    Still, I think his cap number is an issue, and I don't see Taylor as a guy who'll be very receptive to re-working his deal to stay on the team - he already gave Pittsburgh a little bit of a hometown discount when he re-signed, not sure if he's going to want to give up any more. As 52 said, this defense is going to look a lot different next year, and more than a couple familiar faces will be gone. Just a question of who.




  14. #104

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Well Bouchette has written this article, which infers that the cap will be $124 million, NOT the $128 million the Steelers Lounge analysis projected. I still find some of these articles funny that say this...

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12022/1204978-66-0.stm

    The Steelers are $25 million over the roughly $124 million salary cap that will go into effect March 13. That, Steelers president Art Rooney said Tuesday, will call for some tough decisions. What makes some particularly difficult are the long and distinguished careers that either will end or reach their Pittsburgh end soon.

    Candidates on defense to be released and their scheduled 2012 salaries that would vanish if they are: Aaron Smith ($2.1 million), Bryant McFadden ($2.5 million), James Farrior ($2.82 million), Casey Hampton ($4.89 million), and Larry Foote ($3 million).

    Releasing those five would whittle $15.31 million from their salary cap. In addition, William Gay and Chris Hoke will be unrestricted free agents.

    That comes to four starters, whether you count McFadden on opening day or Gay, who replaced him; a virtual starter in Foote; and a longtime starter-capable backup in Hoke.

    Poof, $15 million erased from the cap!
    Are they challenged at math?

    That saves $15 million. Great! Now you have another $20 million to go when you add in $3.5 million for draft picks, another $5 million or so from dead money, and another $10 million for your EFA's and RFA's. Because they are not included in that number because they aren't signed right now.

    Then they talk about can they afford to lose JUST those guys in one year?

    But can the Steelers afford to lose so much on defense, not only in physical talent but in the intangibles that many of those players bring, all at once?
    LOL. They then list half the defense as "untouchable", but fail to realize THEY HAVE NO MONEY to pay them. Even with the restructures of the two big contracts they still need to cut another big chunk of change. Where is that coming from?

    I love the homerism displayed by Ed though, only in Pittsburgh can you keep your head in the clouds and not deal with reality..

    They might, for example, want to keep either Farrior or Foote, perhaps see which one might play for much less in 2012. Gay also has become a valuable cornerback for them. If they believe Keenan Lewis or one of the two rookies, Curtis Brown or Cortez Allen, are not yet ready to start, they may try to re-sign Gay.

    Farrior could be brought back for one more season of transition for the defense;
    or Foote, another recognized leader and 51/2 years younger, might be the one.

    Hampton, on the other hand, escaped without needing surgery on his ACL knee injury from the playoff game in Denver. However, his salary and his role as a part-timer who plays only in the 3-4 base defense could prompt a parting of the ways. They could ask him to take a drastically reduced salary but Hampton has never come across as one willing to do that.
    Bring em all back!! Maybe they will pay for free.

    The outlook for next year according to Ed..
    When the smoke clears, what kind of defense might they have? Perhaps not one much different than what they had in 2011.
    Keep hope alive Ed, keep hope alive brother.
    Last edited by 52decleetzu; 01-22-2012 at 11:58 AM.




  15. #105

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    It will be difficult for the Steelers to continuously convince players to restructure their deals.
    No it won't. Restructures are always in the player's favor. They make the same amount of money. They just get more as a bonus which means they see more money sooner.

    Paying more as a bonus instead of as salary allows the team to spread the money over the long-term course of the contract, which reduces the cap hit in the current year, but adds to the cap pain down the road.

    The Steelers will have to cut a large number of aging vets. Frankly from a pure play perspective I don't think it will hurt them a ton. Guys like Hampton, Farrior, Smith, Hoke and McFadden aren't what they used to be.

    Smith and Hoke will likely retire. McFadden finished as the 4th CB and barely played so he'll be gone. Hampton was a part-time player and will be gone. Farrior was a part-time player and will be cut (possibly re-signed at a much lower salary). Foote could very well be gone too. Sylvester should be starting at ILB.

    They aren't going to cut Taylor. I don't know why anyone would even suggest that. They could allow Gay to walk. Lewis played well and they have a couple of young corners they like. Gay played decently though, so he may stick - all depends on money.

    Starks will be cut. Gilbert will be the new LT, Colon will be the RT.

    With Wallace it all depends on money. Until his second-half slump I thought there was no way they'd let him walk. Now I could see it happening. By the end of the season Brown was the better receiver and it's not like Wallace was getting constant double coverage. They also really like Sanders and I could see them going with Brown and Sanders at WR and running the ball more - especially with Arians gone. Ward is pretty much a guaranteed cut.




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