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  1. #136

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster



    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    The cuts are coming buddy, watch. The restructuring is only half the battle.

    And yes there will be some holes after they are done. The dline will not resemble anything you have seen recently, and there are no young guys to step in except Heyward but who knows what he is gonna be. Hood has been shit and if you are banking on an undrafted 285 pounder in Steve mclendan to hold down nose tackle you got problems. There is no one else down the depth chart after those few question marks.

    How about the oline, what is that going to look like with your best tackle not there? They have no money for Starks on top of him tearing his acl at the very end of the season. He couldn't stay under 400lbs in the offseason healthy what do you think he will balloon up to on one leg? That is an oline that just got worse if it is humanly possible.

    So yeah, there will be a few holes. Like the entire lines on both sides of the ball.

    I don't know where you get your information or if you just make it up but the fact is the D-line will look very much like it has recently, with the exception of Casey Hampton at NT in our base 3-4 defense, which we play less than our nickel defense.

    As far as the O-line we will be much better next year, and will probably draft an OG early to possibly start at LG in place of Kemoeatu, who I expect will get cut. Willie Colon will be back to play RT, Gilbert will be moved to LT, Pouncey and Foster will play C and RG respectively. So our line will be much stronger and I expect the Steelers to draft an LG in the second or third round which will help.

    In the first round I would hope the Steelers take a NT, but we'll see. The bottom line is we will be competitive as always. I think sometimes people forget that what the Steelers do they have been doing with great success for over 40 years. Which is why the Ravens (wisely) have patterned their front office after the Steelers model, and why both teams have been wildly successful compared to most NFL franchcises.




  2. #137

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    Wow that's a huge jump. Players will be laughing all the way to the bank.
    Yeah I'll say...coaches too. Some teams who have less cap issues than the Steelers will have a lot of free money for FA signings. Don't forget starting in 2013 the 'salary floor' kicks in so every team must spend a certain amount (I forget the percentage but like 90% of cap) on payrolls. No more penny pinching owners.




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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    I've heard/read speculation from a couple places that Smith could get cut too, so Hampton might not be the only d-lineman getting cut.




  4. #139

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    Wow that's a huge jump. Players will be laughing all the way to the bank.
    So will the owners!!!!!!




  5. #140

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I've heard/read speculation from a couple places that Smith could get cut too, so Hampton might not be the only d-lineman getting cut.
    Smith only played a few games this season before a season ending injury!




  6. #141

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I've heard/read speculation from a couple places that Smith could get cut too, so Hampton might not be the only d-lineman getting cut.
    Smith has only played a few games the last two years. I'm kind of surprised he isn't retiring. Ziggy Hood took his job last year and wouldn't be coming out.

    I wonder with the new TV contract numbers coming out if player contracts this year will be going up on multi-year deals - ie. if agents know teams will be getting 30+ million more in cap in 2014, will they be asking for much larger base salaries from 2014 on in multi-year deals? I'm guessing yes, but I really don't know.




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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    It's going to be interesting to see how they finish this. They had to cut 25 million just to get under the cap. What are they going to do actually get some flexibility?

    Woodley and Timmons are probably safe restructures. They are young guys that will probably be around and be worth those cap numbers for the length of those contracts. But then you start getting into Roethlisberger, Polamalu, and possibly James Harrison and your talking alot of dead money down the line.

    Ike Taylor is also a guy that they probably shouldn't have restructured. Is he really gonna be worth a high cap number 2 or 3 years from now? Probably not.




  8. #143

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    It's going to be interesting to see how they finish this. They had to cut 25 million just to get under the cap. What are they going to do actually get some flexibility?

    Woodley and Timmons are probably safe restructures. They are young guys that will probably be around and be worth those cap numbers for the length of those contracts. But then you start getting into Roethlisberger, Polamalu, and possibly James Harrison and your talking alot of dead money down the line.

    Ike Taylor is also a guy that they probably shouldn't have restructured. Is he really gonna be worth a high cap number 2 or 3 years from now? Probably not.
    They re-structured Taylor today which saves close to another 5 million. And they cut McFadden and Battle for another 3.5. So they're at approximately $20 million now with about 5 to go. They could restructure Roethlisberger and/or Polamalu. And there are a few easy cuts (Smith, Foote and/or Farrior, Hampton) that would get them to the $25 million.

    Eventually they'll need to do both more cuts and restructures, but they don't need to do both right now.




  9. #144

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    It's going to be interesting to see how they finish this. They had to cut 25 million just to get under the cap. What are they going to do actually get some flexibility?

    Woodley and Timmons are probably safe restructures. They are young guys that will probably be around and be worth those cap numbers for the length of those contracts. But then you start getting into Roethlisberger, Polamalu, and possibly James Harrison and your talking alot of dead money down the line.

    Ike Taylor is also a guy that they probably shouldn't have restructured. Is he really gonna be worth a high cap number 2 or 3 years from now? Probably not.
    Taylor may be - it all depends on what the cap does in the next 2-3 years. If it goes up dramatically then yeah he'll be worth it - because other guys coming up for new deals will be getting a lot more money.

    And if he stinks they can just cut him and eat the dead cap money. I think it's still a fairly safe restructure.




  10. #145

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    Why? The Steelers have a decent Center and that's about it. Gilbert played well as a rookie at RT, but no one knows how he'll play at LT. Colon was a solid RT but he has barely played the last two seasons. Both guards (Foster and Legursky) are run of the mill guys - one of whom may well be replaced by an early draft pick. It's not the worst line in the league, but they're also nowhere near the top.
    That decent center can at least slow down pressure up the middle. Matt Birk couldn't slow down anyone.




  11. #146

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fanatic View Post
    You dislike Joe Flacco that much?


    Flacco would have been roadkill behind Pittsburghs line way earlier in the season.

    Rothlisbergers ability to avoid pressure and manipulate around while having guys hang off of him is the key to their offensive success.

    You put damn near any other QB behind that line and they're dead meat against good defenses.
    Have you been watching our games? Our line couldn't stop anyone in the later part of the season, especially the playoffs. I don't ever remember seeing the kind of pressure that was applied in the New England game by just a 3-man rush. That was embarassing.




  12. #147

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I've heard/read speculation from a couple places that Smith could get cut too, so Hampton might not be the only d-lineman getting cut.
    Smith's a free agent so he can't be cut. He's said that he'll only keep playing if it's in Pittsburgh, but I don't see that happening. Guy's had a great career, but it's time to hang it up - he's missed 33 games over the last three seasons, just had neck surgery, lost 20 pounds afterwards, and he'll be 36 when training camp starts.




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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    That decent center can at least slow down pressure up the middle. Matt Birk couldn't slow down anyone.
    Birk had a couple pretty good games against Pitt, just sayin
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    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    As of today Pittsburgh is only 10 million over with the recent moves. I think the predicted cap demise of the Steelers and writing them off for next year may be a bit premature. Lot of moves eft.




  15. #150

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Birk had a couple pretty good games against Pitt, just sayin
    But he sure sucked in the playoffs. of course he wasn't the only one on the offensive line who totally sucked,




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