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    Almost every knowledgeable fan I have ever talked to has realized for years that the o-line is our problem. There are a few ignorant assholes out there tha blamed Boller for everything, but they also think that if a QB doesn't put up Montana type numbers, he's useless.

    Let's look at our chain of QBs, with the exception of Redman, all of them had talent and won with other teams. We lived off defense and the run. Our defense has held up their end, the running game has gone to mediocre. If a guy is contantly geting over an injury or a jail sentence, then let him go.

    Blame the playcalling or system if you want, but I don't know what plays or system would work with such an atrocious line.

    I'm sure i'll get flamed for this, but we wouldn't have come back with Boller today. We wouldn't have had to. There is no way he throws all of those short passes. McNair played hideously today, and other than one preseason drive, and one regular season drive, he's been pretty bad since he got here. I don't know how long he needs to "click", especially considering we have his favorite target from TN, and a great tightend.

    If we expected it him to take so long to get the offense down, then why in the hell didn't Ozzie pull the trigger faster?




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    Re: The realities

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Nice try Art, but those "fans" followed us over here. There is an easy way to deal with them though.
    I realize that Darb. I am aware of the ignore option, but hey, I was even reading the Browns' game thread earlier too. Now there is an entire CITY to disregard.

    It is just damn irritating to hear Ravens fans in their fervor of defending a guy they like dragging in another players name when it has absolutely no connection with the subject at hand.

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  3. #33

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    The point 2K6 was just that this hasn't given me any reason to believe we're going to hang when we get into the meat of our schedule. Yes, absolutely 3-0 is better than 2-1. But the people on the radio share my concern. And I can't imagine the meltdown this city would have had if we actually lost this game. And we were THAT close to it, on a team that we should never have been that close to.

    My issue is that now for the second week in a row, this offense has looked inept. Except this week, we were in a 14-3 hole before we could even blinked. This was supposed to be a cakewalk. This was the week this offense would steamroll. And it took Stover's leg to win the game. Think about it, the Browns were playing a simple defense without their key CB, and their front seven held the offense in check for almost the entire game. That doesn't bother anyone??

    And I am really concerned that unless this offense get's it's collective shit together, we could be in trouble going up against teams that can get a 17-20 point lead on us. Our defense still seems to be able to give up the big play, and Kevin Winslow for all his BS made our defense look stupid at times.

    Call me what you will, but I am not confident with this offense the way it is right now that we're going 4-0 beating the Chargers.




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    I'm not concerned about the big plays the defense gave up. They still only gave up 14 points. We ran a ton of blitzes today, and that's because we knew the Clowns couldn't run on us. When you blitz like crazy, you're bound to give up an occasional big play. Frye was incredibly lucky that lob didn't get picked. Let's also remember that Winslow and Edwards have talent.

    Next week, with LT lining up in the backfield we won't be blitzing as much. We'll be respecting the run.




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    I'm sure i'll get flamed for this, but we wouldn't have come back with Boller today. We wouldn't have had to. There is no way he throws all of those short passes. McNair played hideously today, and other than one preseason drive, and one regular season drive, he's been pretty bad since he got here. I don't know how long he needs to "click", especially considering we have his favorite target from TN, and a great tightend.
    You've got to be kidding. First you start off - correctly - saying the o-line is the common denominator among years of offensive ineptitude. Then you go on to blame McNair? No way Boller would've put us in a position to win this game today. Need to be reminded of Boller's road record, or his record in Cleveland?

    I'm at a loss as well as to why McNair and the offense seem to still be out of sync, but even an out-of-sync McNair-led offense is a vast improvement over years past.

    And football is to a certain extent a psychological game, so yes, intangibles, leadership, confidence all do matter. That said, if McNair doesn't get in better sync with the offense (part of which is the o-line giving him a chance to do so), those intangibles could evaporate.




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    Re: The realities

    Sorry Art but when people make comments such as

    The reality: I do not see McNair as an upgrade so far. (I don't put much stock in terms like "intangibles" and "leadership", which sound like apologies). I am hoping he can step it up with upcoming games against a few teams that can score points.
    You are inviting someone to make a comment about Boller. Right or wrong, it's gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens'N'Hoos View Post
    I'm at a loss as well as to why McNair and the offense seem to still be out of sync, but even an out-of-sync McNair-led offense is a vast improvement over years past.
    No, it's really not. Not yet at any rate. The only difference is that we don't go down-field. I don't know why and won't bother guessing.
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    Re: The realities

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenFanatic2k6 View Post
    Sorry Art but when people make comments such as



    You are inviting someone to make a comment about Boller. Right or wrong, it's gonna happen.
    I beg to differ. It is perfectly correct to defend Steve and his play without dragging in the name of a quarterback who has not taken more than two or three snaps in a game since the 2005 season.
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    Re: The realities

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post


    Those looping tosses? If not for some outstanding catches by Mason, the long tosses would have been incomplete. Judging from what we have seen in three games, it's obvious why the Titans didn't put up a fight to keep McNair. His first three quarters' performance today was mediocre at best. Add that to not much in Tampa after the first drive and a sad showing against Oakland. He was outplayed today by nobody Charlie Fry. Outstanding catches by Mason and Calyton masked the low quality of passes thrown in the 4th quarter comeback.

    The reality: I do not see McNair as an upgrade so far. (I don't put much stock in terms like "intangibles" and "leadership", which sound like apologies). I am hoping he can step it up with upcoming games against a few teams that can score points.

    Are you smoking something? Not an upgrade! This team has been destroyed by ridiculous turnovers and QB fumbles and this guy leads an 11 pt comeback and it's not an upgrade? Please. 1 Turnover in 3 games with a 4th Q comeback. Yeah that happens all the time in the Billick era.
    The Steelers: Still looking for a legit Super Bowl victory.




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    Re: The realities

    Quote Originally Posted by Art-Florida View Post
    oops

    I beg to differ. It is perfectly correct to defend Steve and his play without dragging in the name of a quarterback who has not taken more than two or three snaps in a game since the 2005 season.
    I think when you bring in the "upgrade" comment, it brings him into the convo. But alas, arguing after a W is pointless. We'll have to agree to disagree.

    Anyway, the reality is we are 3-0. 2-0 on the road. If we take care of business at home we'll be 10-6 at worst and should be in the playoffs.
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    Re: The realities

    Boller brought us back against the Jets on the road. He brought us back against Houston. HE ALSO DROVE FOR FGS TWICE WHEN WE LOST TO CINCY AT HOME WHEN THE D COLLAPSED. People forget that we had two pretty good drives in the 4th quarter against Cincy that day, they ended in FGs when Cavanaugh ran 3 straight times into the teeth of the DL once we were in FG range. Quit saying "No way Boller brings us back." He has.

    I still think McNair is an upgrade and his calmness under pressure does count for something in a 2 minute drill. But he played crappy today, often holding the ball too long and his accuracy for 3 quarters was terrible.




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    Re: The realities

    I still think McNair is an upgrade and his calmness under pressure does count for something in a 2 minute drill. But he played crappy today, often holding the ball too long and his accuracy for 3 quarters was terrible.
    Ask any Titans fan, McNair's MO has always been that he does not look great all of the time, but he produces when needed. McNair's career numbers do not look great. His toughness and poise have always been his strengths, he led the Titans to the Playoffs with subpar performances.

    He is the definition of a Clutch QB, He does not fold under pressure. If he makes a mistake, he regroups and doesn't get rattled.




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    Ask any Titans fan, McNair's MO has always been that he does not look great all of the time, but he produces when needed. McNair's career numbers do not look great. His toughness and poise have always been his strengths, he led the Titans to the Playoffs with subpar performances.

    He is the definition of a Clutch QB, He does not fold under pressure. If he makes a mistake, he regroups and doesn't get rattled.
    All well and good, and people can make that point without the "No way Boller brings us back" takes. That's all.




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    !!!

    Boller?!?!

    Why is this guy's name even in this debate? He didn't play so there there is no way to knwo what he may or may not have done.

    I have a long rant about Mac's play tonight but I am sensing it would fall on def ears. Maybe I'll play with you guys tomorrow when I am done celebrating being 3-0 for the first time EVER.




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    I agree with a lot of the points except the Jamal one. I don't think he is done yet. Between the offensive line getting older and worse, and the RAVENS not really getting a passing game going on yet, people are still going to game plan for Jamal Lewis.




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