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    Re: Peyton Manning 2012 prediction - and ESPN speculation re Ravens (merged threads)



    no way the ex-Baltimore team drafts and trades Luck. if Peyton doesn't want to play nice they'll trade him for picks (which they desperately need)

    previous thread I predicted him going to D.C.

    "looks more and more like the ex-Baltimore team will tank and get the first overall draft pick, aka Luck.
    word is they can't afford to sign luck and keep Peyton. so what happens to #18?
    doubt if he'd retire (unless that neck is REALLY hurt).
    so who'd pay the $ for him? hmm. who needs a qb, thinks they can win quick, and isn't afraid to $pend?
    don't have to look far do we? Snyder/Shanahan in DC.
    they want to win now, they spend, and they desperately need a qb."
    Last edited by sailorsam; 12-15-2011 at 02:38 PM. Reason: add insightful quote
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    Re: Peyton Manning 2012 prediction - and ESPN speculation re Ravens (merged threads)

    Peyton stays.




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    Re: Peyton Manning 2012 prediction - and ESPN speculation re Ravens (merged threads)

    I can almost guarantee you that Peyton would not be nearly as successful in the AFC North, as he was in the AFC South, where he got to play a minimum of nine games per year, in a dome.
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    Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    In this Grantland piece, Bill Barnwell breaks down the top teams he thinks the Colts will send Peyton Manning to if (probably when) they draft Andrew Luck, the best QB prospect of his generation.

    Barnwell eliminates the Colts trading to teams in the AFC South, for obvious reasons. He eliminates them trading Manning to a team with a "franchise QB" already, e.g., Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, Falcons, etc. He eliminates them trading him somewhere Manning (or any super-talented guy) wouldn't want to play, e.g., Bills, Browns, etc. He eliminates them trading to a team in the process of evaluating a possible franchise guy, e.g., Buccaneers, Bengals, Panthers, etc. He eliminates them going to the Broncos because of Tim Tebow. ()

    In his mind, that leaves the Niners, Cowboys, Jets, Ravens, Dolphins, Seahawks, Redskins and Chiefs as the most likely destinations for Manning, in that order. His logic is that Flacco is "an average starting quarterback by just about every definition of the word" and that "the Joe Flacco experience ... is not working."

    Now, I'm not a homer. And I don't want this to turn into another "I'm sick of the national media giving Flacco undue crap" threads. I admit, Flacco is maddeningly inconsistent. I also understand that, for whatever reason, whenever the Ravens get primetime games--even if we win--for some reason the offense hasn't shown up in recent years, which colors national perceptions.

    But we need to get one thing straight: all Flacco does is win. His winning percentage across four seasons is 68.9. Who is above him? Brady, Roethlisberger and Matt Ryan (by one game). That is it. Who is he above? Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Romo, Palmer... and Manning.

    Now, that is a small sample size. I know. We're not even done with this season and Flacco might have ten more seasons in him, in which time he will go through some valleys that will lower his percentage. But look at this list of the winningest QBs in history. Flacco at this point is behind five people. He is currently SIXTH ALL-TIME. Let's assume the Ravens lock him up long term, which gives him a great defense, Ray Rice, and an awesome GM and owner for most if not his whole career. It's not crazy to imagine Joe Flacco ends up among the Top 10 winningest QBs ever.

    If Manning went on the market, what do you think are the odds we go after him? I say almost nil. We are invested in Flacco and he has provided lots of return on that investment. Would Manning be an upgrade over him? Of course. It's Peyton Manning. But some of the logic in pieces like this just riles me.

    Sorry for the long post, guys...




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    I thought we'd already established that Barnwell is an overrated imbecile. (Another example.) Why waste time with his drivel?




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    I think Manning is getting too much credit here. This year's Colts team wouldn't be winless with him, sure, but it would have something like 3-7 wins.




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    No.1 - We wouldnt have the cap for Peyton Manning
    No.2 - You will only get 3/4 Years out of Manning, Whereas Joe will prob be here for 10 or more season if we sign him.
    No.3 - Joe has room to grow, Manning is at his peak
    No.4 - If manning got hit as much as oe he would not see out the year, granted manning may avoid hits more, but he doesnt play in the afcn.. joe is more durable
    No.5 - i dont think colts would trade him to a contender in the AFC, If we got manning, for the next 2 seasons, we would win the superbowl, no doubt in my mind (drop of after that due to mannings age). Why would the colts risk that.
    No. 6 - If they trade manning (ie keep him after March i think) they get hit with a $20mil dollar guarenteed price tag. If you sitting with $20mil against your cap, you may aswell keep him around




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    Peyton Manning will end up in DC looooong before he'd end up in Baltimore. Danny Snyder would be all over that!




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

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    OP please find something else to think about. Next you will be quoting glen be k

    QUOTE=arnie_uk;372998]No.1 - We wouldnt have the cap for Peyton Manning
    No.2 - You will only get 3/4 Years out of Manning, Whereas Joe will prob be here for 10 or more season if we sign him.
    No.3 - Joe has room to grow, Manning is at his peak
    No.4 - If manning got hit as much as oe he would not see out the year, granted manning may avoid hits more, but he doesnt play in the afcn.. joe is more durable
    No.5 - i dont think colts would trade him to a contender in the AFC, If we got manning, for the next 2 seasons, we would win the superbowl, no doubt in my mind (drop of after that due to mannings age). Why would the colts risk that.
    No. 6 - If they trade manning (ie keep him after March i think) they get hit with a $20mil dollar guarenteed price tag. If you sitting with $20mil against your cap, you may aswell keep him around[/QUOTE]




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    Quote Originally Posted by duffybr View Post
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    OP please find something else to think about. Next you will be quoting glen be k

    QUOTE=arnie_uk;372998]No.1 - We wouldnt have the cap for Peyton Manning
    No.2 - You will only get 3/4 Years out of Manning, Whereas Joe will prob be here for 10 or more season if we sign him.
    No.3 - Joe has room to grow, Manning is at his peak
    No.4 - If manning got hit as much as oe he would not see out the year, granted manning may avoid hits more, but he doesnt play in the afcn.. joe is more durable
    No.5 - i dont think colts would trade him to a contender in the AFC, If we got manning, for the next 2 seasons, we would win the superbowl, no doubt in my mind (drop of after that due to mannings age). Why would the colts risk that.
    No. 6 - If they trade manning (ie keep him after March i think) they get hit with a $20mil dollar guarenteed price tag. If you sitting with $20mil against your cap, you may aswell keep him around
    [/QUOTE]What???




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    i would take a healthy manning for 3-4 more seasons over flacco at his current level of play for another 10 years




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    Personally - I think Peyton's neck/nerve injury is career ending and we have seen him take his last snap.




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi16 View Post
    Personally - I think Peyton's neck/nerve injury is career ending and we have seen him take his last snap.
    I am inclined to agree with this.

    I don't know if even being paid millions to something I love could convince me to do something that, one false move, and I'm in a wheelchair forever. You don't mess around with neck injuries.




  14. Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt CouchPotato View Post
    i would take a healthy manning for 3-4 more seasons over flacco at his current level of play for another 10 years
    And then what would you do after that?

    You want a 36 year old man with neck problems who has a losing record in the playoffs over a guy who is only 26.

    Yeah, that sound like a great idea for the future and looking for another quarterback for multiple years.




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    Re: Ravens 4th Most Likely Team to Get Peyton if Indy Chooses Luck

    I could see the possibility of Manning in Baltimore if two things happen:

    1) Flacco bombs in the playoffs again.

    2) Manning is RELEASED by the Colts, thus making him available to any team at their price, not the enormous contract he is under now.

    Those two things could both happen, but even then, I'd still say it's an extreme longshot. I definitely think the team is content with Flacco as the QB here and probably not interested in other players there, and rightfully so. Dude is a fine player. SF is probably where he ends up...




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