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    Re: New black quarterbacks club



    I have no problem with this club. I do not understand the name however. One look at all the QBs on their website and only McNair looks close to being black. All the others are brownish in hue. If you want to start a fan club for oppressed minorities I go with the Chosen People. The Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years. Who in the NFL would officially be able to join that one? I guess only Sage Rosenfels and Jay Fiedler. Of course, Anita Marks could discuss how to convert.




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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by ravcol View Post
    I have no problem with this club. I do not understand the name however. One look at all the QBs on their website and only McNair looks close to being black. All the others are brownish in hue. If you want to start a fan club for oppressed minorities I go with the Chosen People. The Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years. Who in the NFL would officially be able to join that one? I guess only Sage Rosenfels and Jay Fiedler. Of course, Anita Marks could discuss how to convert.
    Sid Luckman, amongst others, did pretty well in his day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabrosin View Post
    Why does everyone think there's something wrong with people of the same skin color wanting to form an exclusive club?

    The travesty is that, as someone mentioned earlier, this would be taboo if it were whites forming a white-only club, but for any other race such a club is "empowerment".

    More importantly, ANY private/exclusive club should be able to discriminate on the basis of ANYTHING. That's FREEDOM. Want a club where every member has to be black? Fine. White? Fine. Jewish? Fine. Catholic? Fine. Taller than 6'? Fine. Named Jimbo? Fine. Racist? Fine. Beautiful? Fine. Ugly? Fine. You get my point.

    When the government does it, then there's a problem. If you're a citizen and your money is being stolen to fund our bloated bureaucracy, then you have the right to equal participation in it, whether through voting, seeking employment, earning benefits, protection under the laws, whatever. But it's absolutely idiotic that our legal system can be subverted so that people can sue for membership in private organizations that would otherwise exclude them. Freedom includes the right to associate with whoever you want, not to have an association forced upon you on the basis of diversity.
    100% correct. If We, the great American People had not created the divide, there would not even be a hint of a problem. If, however, we continue to improve the situation, that is, become a nation without bias, or racism, it will then not be a problem, either!. After all, there are still Neandertals who think women should not be allowed to vote, or work in the workforce. So there are , and will, until these troglodytes are gone, and are not teaching bigotry to their offspring, be advocacy groups and people who seek to "right the wrongs" of discrimination!




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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    "Want a club where every member has to be black? Fine. White? Fine. Jewish? Fine. Catholic? Fine. Taller than 6'? Fine. Named Jimbo? Fine. Racist? Fine. Beautiful? Fine. Ugly? Fine."



    I think I will form a hard drinking, smoking, not stick thin, cussin', over fifty, you don't like my attitude kiss my ass club. Anyone with me
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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by ladyraven127 View Post
    "Want a club where every member has to be black? Fine. White? Fine. Jewish? Fine. Catholic? Fine. Taller than 6'? Fine. Named Jimbo? Fine. Racist? Fine. Beautiful? Fine. Ugly? Fine."



    I think I will form a hard drinking, smoking, not stick thin, cussin', over fifty, you don't like my attitude kiss my ass club. Anyone with me

    Darn...I don't smkoke and I am quite a few years away from fifty




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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Why shouldn't I be tolerant of the United Negro College Fund, Black Entertainment Television, or Miss Black America?

    White students are overwhelmingly represented at colleges, white characters are overwhelmingly represented on tv, and white contestants are (forgive me guessing here, haven't seen many) well represented in beauty pageants. I don't feel like I'm losing anything because of the existence of institutions serving minority populations.

    Why shouldn't I be tolerant of minority organizations of attorneys, or accountants, or engineers? It doesn't bother *me*. I'm just a regular white guy, and regular tv, beauty pageants and college educations are already there for me, if I want them.
    Whites being overwhelmingly represented at college and on tv? Could that be because whites are the MAJORITY in this country, and blacks only make up only 12%? Things shouldn't be 50-50. However, by the incessant pandering to minorties in this country (mainly blacks), you would think that those percentages would be different. Don't even get me started on the education issue. Education is MORE readily available to minorities. Higher education has become a joke.

    Look, I think judging people based on their race is a horrible thing. I also think that creating exclusive groups based on race, affirmative action programs, and simple social promotion are also horrible things.

    Creating a black quarterbacks club is only furthering racial divides (as others have said). Race will no longer be an issue until people on both sides stop making it an issue. On top of that, it all starts at home. No amount of federal programs and dollars will fix racism and the many struggles that minority groups experience. It's on them. It's on many minorities to establish a strong family structure and moral fabric.

    Bottom line: I don't think creating a black QB's club or creating television channels for one race will repair much of anything. It simply deepens the divides.




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    Education is MORE readily available to minorities. Higher education has become a joke

    Woah there, thats a bit of a stretch. Higher education is readily available to blacks and other minorities who make it out of primary and secondary schools in tact. Which is not a large ammount.


    If you don't understand, you need to spend some time checking out the Baltimore City school system, or any other urban minority dominated school system. Since their budgets are based on property taxes, and property value is horidly low in the cities, they have no budget. Additionally, there is a viscious cycle in such school that keep children from appreciating education properly, part of which starts at home and can be blamed on inner city parents. Of course, the plight of those lower class parents can also be attributed to other structural issues.


    As a black Ivy-leager, I can say that apart from good parenting or good genetics I probabaly benefit the most from being public schooled in Pikesville with a large majority jewish population who were already academically oriented.



    In any case, the real issue here is that a black QB group recognizes implicity some stereotypes that are negative.


    ON the pre-determining of position in football, I do agree that that is an issue.


    But should we see a white-running-backs or cornerbacks club? Or a jewish or asian club or all positions? It just gets silly.


    Mulitalo and Ngata and others of polynesian descent seem to do a good job of having a sense of community without forming an official group.


    IN any case, they have a right to form the group, but I feel like its unnecessary and probably reinforcing some stereotypes.




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    "Darn...I don't smkoke and I am quite a few years away from fifty"

    Welllllll . . . . how about you don't have to smoke and don't have to be over fifty. You still have to drink and have an attitude. I wouldn't want to exclude anyone
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    Ooo, ooo, ooo, (raising hand and shuffling weight from one leg to the other) I qualify on all counts, especially atitude. Can I join too?
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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    Woah there, thats a bit of a stretch. Higher education is readily available to blacks and other minorities who make it out of primary and secondary schools in tact. Which is not a large ammount.


    If you don't understand, you need to spend some time checking out the Baltimore City school system, or any other urban minority dominated school system. Since their budgets are based on property taxes, and property value is horidly low in the cities, they have no budget. Additionally, there is a viscious cycle in such school that keep children from appreciating education properly, part of which starts at home and can be blamed on inner city parents. Of course, the plight of those lower class parents can also be attributed to other structural issues.


    As a black Ivy-leager, I can say that apart from good parenting or good genetics I probabaly benefit the most from being public schooled in Pikesville with a large majority jewish population who were already academically oriented.



    In any case, the real issue here is that a black QB group recognizes implicity some stereotypes that are negative.


    ON the pre-determining of position in football, I do agree that that is an issue.


    But should we see a white-running-backs or cornerbacks club? Or a jewish or asian club or all positions? It just gets silly.


    Mulitalo and Ngata and others of polynesian descent seem to do a good job of having a sense of community without forming an official group.


    IN any case, they have a right to form the group, but I feel like its unnecessary and probably reinforcing some stereotypes.
    I agree with you to an extent, and I am familiar with the condition of the Baltimore City public school system, but I think the educational problems with inner city minorities are largely problems that stem from home, and result from certain cultural influences. I do understand, however, that a lot of these kids aren't really given much of a chance and the problems that plague these inner-city schools cannot be articulated in a single post.

    However, it ulitmately comes down to personal responsibility. No one is forcing these kids out of school. Because of certain entitlement programs, AA, social promotion, etc., higher education (in many instances) has lowered it's standards. There are other reasons for the decline in the quality of education that many of these institutions offer, but I think that this movement to push underqualified minority candidates (that would be better off AT LEAST starting off at a community college level) to the college level is a big mistake. It not only hurts them, but it's at the expense of others.

    Many have taken the point of view that public and higher education (especially higher) should be a guaranteed right and should be made available to ALL people. Now, because of this attitude, obtaining a college degree has become less significant, many useless departments have been created, and college has become a place of vacation for MANY students.

    It's not a stretch at all to say that minorities have college education more readily available to them. Graduate from high school, and you're essentially set as a minority. That's what affirmative action has created. Many colleges and universities have a quota to fill; admission requirements are lowered in order to accomodate minority candidates (usually regardless of their personal financial situation).

    This is really beside the point. I completely agree with you on the "Black QB's Club" situation; I really don't think there is a need to create such a group.

    In my mind, racial divides (as I said earlier) only become more defined when people are constantly (or making a point to) recognizing the differences in one another. It's pointless and trivial. Morgan Freeman actually made some great points awhile back about black history month and the ongoing racial discussions in this country. He made the point that black history is American history, and that it shouldn't be relegated to one month of the year. He also discussed that racism will cease as soon as people stop talking about it.

    I don't mean to turn this into a political discussion, I'm simply defending my stance on the education issue.

    Bottom line: a black QB's club is stupid.




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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Why shouldn't I be tolerant of the United Negro College Fund, Black Entertainment Television, or Miss Black America?

    White students are overwhelmingly represented at colleges, white characters are overwhelmingly represented on tv, and white contestants are (forgive me guessing here, haven't seen many) well represented in beauty pageants. I don't feel like I'm losing anything because of the existence of institutions serving minority populations.

    Why shouldn't I be tolerant of minority organizations of attorneys, or accountants, or engineers? It doesn't bother *me*. I'm just a regular white guy, and regular tv, beauty pageants and college educations are already there for me, if I want them.

    Best response ever! My respect for you has grown even more. Whites don't have to assemble, because (duh) they are the majority in this country.....for now. Minority groups are formed for self-empowerment. They are not trying to hide behind masks and white robes, to kill a group of people, like a certain cowardly group used many years ago.

    What McNair and the other African American QBs are doing is assembling a group for the purpose of encouraging other minorities to pursue a career as a QB in the NFL. For years, whites have stated that African Americans were not smart enough to man the QB position. That stereotype was proven wrong.

    As festivus stated, if you want to see whites assemble, just turn on ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC. Turn on any beauty pagent. Hell, watch "Friends." I watch Friends and there is not a speck of "Black" on that show.
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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by LBoogy View Post
    I agree with you to an extent, and I am familiar with the condition of the Baltimore City public school system, but I think the educational problems with inner city minorities are largely problems that stem from home, and result from certain cultural influences. I do understand, however, that a lot of these kids aren't really given much of a chance and the problems that plague these inner-city schools cannot be articulated in a single post.

    However, it ulitmately comes down to personal responsibility. No one is forcing these kids out of school. Because of certain entitlement programs, AA, social promotion, etc., higher education (in many instances) has lowered it's standards. There are other reasons for the decline in the quality of education that many of these institutions offer, but I think that this movement to push underqualified minority candidates (that would be better off AT LEAST starting off at a community college level) to the college level is a big mistake. It not only hurts them, but it's at the expense of others.

    Many have taken the point of view that public and higher education (especially higher) should be a guaranteed right and should be made available to ALL people. Now, because of this attitude, obtaining a college degree has become less significant, many useless departments have been created, and college has become a place of vacation for MANY students.

    It's not a stretch at all to say that minorities have college education more readily available to them. Graduate from high school, and you're essentially set as a minority. That's what affirmative action has created. Many colleges and universities have a quota to fill; admission requirements are lowered in order to accomodate minority candidates (usually regardless of their personal financial situation).

    This is really beside the point. I completely agree with you on the "Black QB's Club" situation; I really don't think there is a need to create such a group.

    In my mind, racial divides (as I said earlier) only become more defined when people are constantly (or making a point to) recognizing the differences in one another. It's pointless and trivial. Morgan Freeman actually made some great points awhile back about black history month and the ongoing racial discussions in this country. He made the point that black history is American history, and that it shouldn't be relegated to one month of the year. He also discussed that racism will cease as soon as people stop talking about it.

    I don't mean to turn this into a political discussion, I'm simply defending my stance on the education issue.

    Bottom line: a black QB's club is stupid.
    Blah, Blah, Blah. It is funny how you will write a long (winded) essay-ish thread -saying the same thing- everytime an issue of race comes up. You are predictable and typical. That further reveals your real feelings on race matters.

    Of course you would see no need for a Black QBs Club. Of course, you see the club as "stupid." Newsflash: Who cares what you think!?! You are not going to stop it from happening.
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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by LBoogy View Post
    Whites being overwhelmingly represented at college and on tv? Could that be because whites are the MAJORITY in this country, and blacks only make up only 12%? Things shouldn't be 50-50. However, by the incessant pandering to minorties in this country (mainly blacks), you would think that those percentages would be different. Don't even get me started on the education issue. Education is MORE readily available to minorities. Higher education has become a joke.

    Look, I think judging people based on their race is a horrible thing. I also think that creating exclusive groups based on race, affirmative action programs, and simple social promotion are also horrible things.

    Creating a black quarterbacks club is only furthering racial divides (as others have said). Race will no longer be an issue until people on both sides stop making it an issue. On top of that, it all starts at home. No amount of federal programs and dollars will fix racism and the many struggles that minority groups experience. It's on them. It's on many minorities to establish a strong family structure and moral fabric.

    Bottom line: I don't think creating a black QB's club or creating television channels for one race will repair much of anything. It simply deepens the divides.

    Wow, talk about contradicting yourself. You said that folks should stop making race an issue, yet you state that because whites "are the MAJORITY in this country" they should get some special privilege over others. You also, have attacked minority groups all throughout this post, yet "folks should stop making race an issue."

    1. You think that "judging people based on their race is a horrible thing." Well, son, you have done a horrible thing. The lack of a strong family structure and moral fabric is not just prevalent within minority families as you have stated...in ignorant fashion. Last I checked, there are many broken white families out there with a lack of moral fiber.

    2. A Black QBs Group is not going impact race relations in America any more or less than it has already been impacted. It's a football group.



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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    PR,

    God bless you.





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    Re: New black quarterbacks club

    Quote Originally Posted by ladyraven127 View Post
    "Want a club where every member has to be black? Fine. White? Fine. Jewish? Fine. Catholic? Fine. Taller than 6'? Fine. Named Jimbo? Fine. Racist? Fine. Beautiful? Fine. Ugly? Fine."



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