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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
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    Eric DeCosta talks these 4 lineman:

    David DeCastro, Peter Konz, Kevin Zeitler, and Cordy Glenn.

    I think DeCastro and Glenn will be gone when Baltimore picks.
    I think Zeitler is actually a better propect than Konz. He can play OG immediately and can move to C in a year or two. I just don't think that Zeitler is regarded as a first round pick though.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I think Zeitler is actually a better propect than Konz. He can play OG immediately and can move to C in a year or two. I just don't think that Zeitler is regarded as a first round pick though.
    He's a borderline guy, but considering his 1st position is guard and there are a couple of swing guys who could be better value than him, he's going to go somewhere between pick 35 and 55, IMO.
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    why would you move him to center? doesnt solve anything because then we would have a hole at guard again. he will stay guard if we drafter him, and we will get a center to replace birk somewhere down the line if its not this year
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I think Zeitler is actually a better propect than Konz. He can play OG immediately and can move to C in a year or two. I just don't think that Zeitler is regarded as a first round pick though.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Minnesota said that they're open to trade their third pick. if I'm the Rams, I'm trading up to get my future franchise left tackle to protect Ponder.

    As for the Browns, I really do hope they take Tannehill. It would be so dumb and stupid to take an overrated 3rd round QB, but I hope they do it. If I was the Browns, I'd take Trent Richardson with my 4th, Stephen Hill/Kendall Wright with my 22nd pick, and Brandon Weeden/Brock Osweiler in the second.
    The problem is that Minnesota wants the tackle. They will only trade out if they feel it doesn't significantly hinder their chances to get Khalil. For example, if Cleveland gets nervous and wants to swap spots with Minnesota, to ensure that they get Tannehill. Minnesota still gets Khalil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I think Zeitler is actually a better propect than Konz. He can play OG immediately and can move to C in a year or two. I just don't think that Zeitler is regarded as a first round pick though.
    I've seen some scouting reports of some of the more infamous guys in the scouting community who are trying to knock Konz down to be contrarian, but you can't really buy into them. There are a lot of guys out there on the internet who like to say that guys who are consensus top 20 picks "grade out as 2nd or 3rd rounders," just to make an impact or based on a very very small sample size of game tape.

    Even the best guys like Mike Mayock like to get cute sometimes, like how he initially had Harrison Smith as the #1 safety in this class and Mark Barron as #3 (behind Smith and Winston Guy out of Kentucky.) He later admitted that essentially he didn't know anything about any safeties in the class except Smith, who he had watched a little tape of since he's from Notre Dame.

    Konz is a better prospect than Zeitler. Wisconsin did most of their best running behind Konz when you watch the tape. He opened nice holes through the A gaps both solo-blocking and combo-blocking (so give some credit to Zeitler cuz those guys worked great together.) Konz was by far the best lineman Wisconsin had out in space. He lays out 2nd level blocks like few other interior OL prospects out there.

    I think Zeitler is a good player, but the bottom line IMO is 1) he's not a good fit for our zone-blocking scheme, 2) his upside is lower than Konz. In a power/man-blocking scheme Zeitler would be a good guard. He will blow open holes against DTs solo blocking. But he'll never be better than he is right now and he'll never be a good zone player because he doesn't block well in space and he doesn't combo block well. Konz excels at those two things, which I think will make him a tremendous fit at LG in 2012 and C in 2013 for us.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...essed-decosta/

    Eric DeCosta talks these 4 lineman:

    David DeCastro, Peter Konz, Kevin Zeitler, and Cordy Glenn.

    I think DeCastro and Glenn will be gone when Baltimore picks.

    I've noted that every time DeCosta talks about Konz, just about all he says is that he had an ankle injury. I know the guy has shown that the injury is behind him, performing well in agility drills. Makes me wonder what DeCosta is saying between the lines. Konz had a series of injuries at Wisconsin and then choose to come out early. A skeptic might conclude he couldn't afford yet another injury as a senior, lest he totally kill his stock in the draft. Is DeCosta mentioning the injury to throw off the scent of other teams? I think not. I suspect they have questions about his durability. And I don't see them using a first round pick on an interior lineman who is not a sure thing. The guess here is that Glenn and Decastro are rated high enough for them to be considerations, but they'll be gone, and it won't be until the 2nd/3rd that a lineman is selected by the Ravens.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I've noted that every time DeCosta talks about Konz, just about all he says is that he had an ankle injury. I know the guy has shown that the injury is behind him, performing well in agility drills. Makes me wonder what DeCosta is saying between the lines. Konz had a series of injuries at Wisconsin and then choose to come out early. A skeptic might conclude he couldn't afford yet another injury as a senior, lest he totally kill his stock in the draft. Is DeCosta mentioning the injury to throw off the scent of other teams? I think not. I suspect they have questions about his durability. And I don't see them using a first round pick on an interior lineman who is not a sure thing. The guess here is that Glenn and Decastro are rated high enough for them to be considerations, but they'll be gone, and it won't be until the 2nd/3rd that a lineman is selected by the Ravens.
    I definitely think they like Glenn and DeCastro more than Konz.

    I REALLY like Glenn a lot and think he'd be an ideal fit in Baltimore. Big, nasty, athletic, and can play multiple positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I've noted that every time DeCosta talks about Konz, just about all he says is that he had an ankle injury. I know the guy has shown that the injury is behind him, performing well in agility drills. Makes me wonder what DeCosta is saying between the lines. Konz had a series of injuries at Wisconsin and then choose to come out early. A skeptic might conclude he couldn't afford yet another injury as a senior, lest he totally kill his stock in the draft. Is DeCosta mentioning the injury to throw off the scent of other teams? I think not. I suspect they have questions about his durability. And I don't see them using a first round pick on an interior lineman who is not a sure thing. The guess here is that Glenn and Decastro are rated high enough for them to be considerations, but they'll be gone, and it won't be until the 2nd/3rd that a lineman is selected by the Ravens.
    Don't buy into all that really, he might be saying that so that it puzzles other teams on whether they would pull the trigger on Konz or not. I do think that if somehow Cordy Glenn or DeCastro is there at 29 they will without doubt draft them. Glenn has a much bigger chance of being there at 29, but I doubt Glenn gets past 21. What I DO think could work out is drafting Konz in the first, and Zeitler in the second if he would to fall that far. You got good chemistry in the middle of the line, with Yanda and Birk to mentor them as well. I think an interior line of Konz, Zeitler, and Yanda would be scary for any NT's.

    If we don't get Konz or Zeitler, I really hope we manage to get Brandon Brooks in the 2nd or third. This guy is HUGE, like seriously would be a great value pick to get him, he's arguably got the talent of a first round guard IMO, but didn't get an invite to the combine for some reason.




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    In today's NFL, I would not draft a lineman in the top ten unless he is a no brainer stud.

    Drafting Richardson also comes with it's risks. Look at recent first round RBs and you see a lot of injury issues. Plus Richardson has got a lot of miles on him.

    Ingram - last year missed several games
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    Ryan Matthews
    Knownshon Moreno
    Donald Brown
    Beanie Wells
    Darren McFadden
    Jonathan Stewart
    etc
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    If LeRon McClain could run for 900 yards, for the Ravens, I think that Anthony Allen will be okay. As will Damien Berry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    In today's NFL, I would not draft a lineman in the top ten unless he is a no brainer stud.

    Drafting Richardson also comes with it's risks. Look at recent first round RBs and you see a lot of injury issues. Plus Richardson has got a lot of miles on him.

    Ingram - last year missed several games
    CJ Spiller
    Ryan Matthews
    Knownshon Moreno
    Donald Brown
    Beanie Wells
    Darren McFadden
    Jonathan Stewart
    etc
    Ryan Mathews had a pretty good season in 2011, and it's only his second season. I think it's unfair to include him in that list.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    If LeRon McClain could run for 900 yards, for the Ravens, I think that Anthony Allen will be okay. As will Damien Berry.
    That was behind a much better offensive line and offensive line coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Ryan Mathews had a pretty good season in 2011, and it's only his second season. I think it's unfair to include him in that list.
    Point taken - just trying to show that recent first round RBs have had challenges staying on the field. That doesn't mean you shouldn't take one and it doesn't mean Richardson will have injury issues. But it does look like a trend.
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    For example, Matt Khalil looks like the type of prospect that is as close to 'Can't Miss' as you are going to get.
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    How does D. Martin, the RB from Boise State, compare to Ray Rice?
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