The John Harbaugh Debate Thread (Merged Threads)

**MattSG** · 11-17-2011, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by JeromeBettis63

Same thing I have said from the beginning...it is representative of the mindset that has failed to lead to a championship...complain about refs, put all your energy into beating your big brother, wear rabbit ears where it comes to the media and fans, act like you have won the SB after a big win...it goes on and on.

You keep saying the same thing after people show that your thinking is wrong.

First off, you don't know why Harbaugh was given a gatorade shower. Plus, it was his players that chose to do it. Do you think it was his premeditated idea? How do you know it is a mindset that caused the Ravens under Harbaugh to fall short of a SB?

I gave you an example of the Steelers giving Tomlin a gatorade shower after a non SB win. Bill Belichick says the practice is a good thing. He knows about winning titles.

How do you know for sure that we lost the following games after beating Pittsburgh because we put all of our energy into the games against the Steelers? As a Ravens fan, I thought about that, but there were other factors in why we lost to the Steelers. Two fumbles and a big penalty by your kick returner played a big part in us losing. Our offensive play calling seems to possibly be a big reason why we lost to Seattle. I would guess those were bigger factors in losing the game than being exhausted from beating the Steelers.

Complaining about refs is done by every fanbase.

You are just a sore loser, and rather than handle the loss with class, you have to add a lame criticism about post-game celebration etiquette.

**MattSG** · 11-17-2011, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by JeromeBettis63

It takes having the best fans...thats the key!:ww:

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I think the team with the best fans is debatable. I for one would rank Packers, Chiefs, and Bills fans over Steelers fans. They support their team no matter what. Whether it's blizzards or losing seasons, they sellout their games.

**Corey** · 11-17-2011, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by JeromeBettis63

The one where he has no playoff wins against the Steelers and never makes the Super Bowl.

Because the Steelers are the only NFL team outside of Baltimore.:grbac:

I am also not sure how "never makes the Superbowl" backs up your argument. He's not the first QB that hasn't won a Superbowl in the first FOUR years of his career and I'll bet every dime in my bank account that he won't be the last. Seriously, I think you'd have a much better case if Flacco and Harbaugh were in the sunset of their respective careers but they are not. They are very much still neophytes and they've got plenty of time to overcome that hurdle. I don't believe in psychics, so I know none of us can see into the future. Maybe we'll have to rehash this debate a couple of years from now.

(Of course when the Ravens win the Superbowl this year, there will be no more debating this.

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**Ravenswintitle** · 11-18-2011, 12:10 AM

I am fine with the Gatorade bath as long as he doesn't unleash hell

**JimZipCode** · 11-18-2011, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by ravensinva

Bisciotti will not admit he made a mistake hiring Harbaugh.

And there's no reason he should, because he obviously did not make a mistake by hiring Harbaugh.

**ravensinva** · 11-18-2011, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by JimZipCode

And there's no reason he should, because he obviously did not make a mistake by hiring Harbaugh.

we wouldn't be having this conversion had Jason Garrett said yes.

Anyone remember beside Harbaugh, Garrett and Rex whoelse also interviewed for the job?

**Corey** · 11-18-2011, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by ravensinva

we wouldn't be having this conversion had Jason Garrett said yes.

Anyone remember beside Harbaugh, Garrett and Rex whoelse also interviewed for the job?

Have you watched the Cowboys play this season? If Garrett had said yes, we'd have been calling for his head by now. IF he still had his job at this point.

**houstonravensfan** · 11-18-2011, 11:22 PM

Harbs has a great record. Took team to the playoffs every year. And that DESPITE Mattison and Cam. He mus have SOME skills.

**Jess** · 11-18-2011, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by houstonravensfan

Harbs has a great record. Took team to the playoffs every year. And that DESPITE Mattison and Cam. He mus have SOME skills.

Either that, or he's had alot of talented players/teams...

**RavensRock** · 11-19-2011, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by ravensinva

He has been to playoffs his first 3 years. But IMO I think he is over his head sometimes. Don't think his is involve with offense or defense schemes and our special team sucks. someone please convince me why his is a good coach?

I can't convince someone who won't open their eyes.

**Ravenalytics** · 11-19-2011, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by ravensinva

we wouldn't be having this conversion had Jason Garrett said yes.

Anyone remember beside Harbaugh, Garrett and Rex whoelse also interviewed for the job?

I remember hearing somewhere that Ken Wisenhunt also interviewed?

**MarkS** · 11-24-2011, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jess

Either that, or he's had alot of talented players/teams...

A couple things to consider:

Fact #1: If we make the playoffs this year, John Harbaugh will have, in 4 seasons, matched the number of post-season trips (4) that Brian Billick made in NINE seasons.
Fact #2: If we win 1 playoff game this year, Harbaugh will also match Billick's total number of career playoff victories.
Fact #3: Billick and Harbaugh have both worked with/under the same GM resonsible for aquiring the talent and assembling a roster.
Fact #4: Of the 53 players on the current roster, there are only 8 left over from Billick's last team. That's an 85% turnover in the last 4 years.

At some point in time, people are gonna have to give up the whole "merely inherited great players/teams" argument.