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    Re: Explain this Harbaugh



    It was like 550 carry's without a fumble. did you ever think for a second that Ray gets hit pretty dang hard and rarely fumbles. That hit on that fumble may have been a tough hard hit and he may have needed a few reps to clear out the bells. Never know, his hand may have been hit, anything could have happened. The best part of that fumble is he eventually returned to the game.
    You don't bench you best offensive weapon. But I do agree that a player that fumbles then causes a personal foul should not have been given the chance to fumble a second time.
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    Re: Harbaugh Supports Cam's decision to Pass!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JeromeBettis63 View Post
    JAB, I think your post makes my point.

    First, I am not upset over it. I thought it was revealing of the Ravens mindset. Harbaugh is the one that creates the mindset and atmosphere that leads to that event happening. Second, the wins against the Steelers were big wins. I don't think the Ravens suck, I think they are a darn good football team. Heck, half the time I think my opinion of your team is higher than most of your own fans. That drive by Flacco and company was exactly the kind of thing it takes to win a championship. But those wins are gonna be fairly hollow if your team watches the Steelers advance further in the play-offs again. Maybe I will be dead wrong, maybe the Ravens will win it all this year...it wouldn't shock me...but gatorade baths at mid-season aren't helping them get there.
    How do you know why Harbaugh was given a gatorade bath? You have the belief that everything revolves around the Steelers. In my opinion you are being ignorant. In 2008, the Ravens gave C. Cameron a gatorade bath after the playoff win against the Dolphins. It was done for Cam, not to show up the Dolphins. There is a good chance they gave Harbaugh a gatorade shower because he hadn't gotten by the Steelers in a big game, and the media talked about it a lot. It would be for a personal reason, not to spite the opposing team. If the other team gets upset, screw them, it wasn't the intent.

    As other posters have said, a lot of gatorade showers are done after regular season games. The two believed orgins of the gatorade shower are from regular season games.

    Is there a problem with the Parcells led 86' Giants doing a gatorade bath after every single win that season?

    Why would our wins be fairly hollow if only the Steelers make it further in the playoffs? Why is it just the Steelers? That is what it seems you are implying. I think this along with the crying over a gatorade shower are examples of you having sour grapes and rather than accept it, you want to try to agitate people.




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    Re: Ozzie built it and Harbs tore it down (false promises)

    Quote Originally Posted by blah3 View Post
    I don't really know how much the improved the offensive line.
    Plus Williams was brought in to save money from McGahee, not for the express purpose of improving the running game. I think most people would agree at this point in their careers McGahee is a better runner.
    Mcgahee was a cap casualty. They couldn't afford him. Ozzie didn't have to sign Williams. He could have stuck with parmele and allen. Williams was signed to bolster the rushing attack, which hasn't happened.




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    Re: Explain this Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    David Reed has had several big returns for us the last 2 years including one just last week. He's been by far our best kick returner since last year, when healthy.
    And when he doesn't fumble 2 times and get a personal foul apparently.
    Last edited by StingerNLG; 11-15-2011 at 11:48 PM.




  5. #140

    Re: Harbaugh Supports Cam's decision to Pass!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JeromeBettis63 View Post
    Thats fine, you can have it,...and I will take a Bill Bellicheck, Joe Torre, Scotty Bowman, Tony Larrusa, Phil Jackson, Vince Lombardi, Chuck Noll, Mike Tomlin type team that takes a win in stride, moves forward and wins titles.
    Can you show us proof that none of these coaches showed some kind of emotinal outburst during a big win or their first championship? I find it hilarious that you include Tomlin in the list of coaches you mentioned.

    I would never take Chuck Noll as my coach. The guy turned a blind eye to the steroid abuse by his own team. He didn't care aslong as he was winning. He accused other teams of being dirty when those teams stood up to his team. Noll is a shadey hypocrite, he fit right in with the Steelers organization.

    I've tried to get Harbaugh's email address so I can send him an email staighting that he shouldn't get any more gatorade baths because it upsets an internet poster named JeromeBettis63 so much. lol




  6. #141

    The John Harbaugh Thread (Merged Threads)

    Guys, we're getting multiple threads on the same issue here. So all Harbaugh hate threads are going here.

    Again, not complaining about it. Agree or disagree, people have the right to complain about the HC. I'm just consolidating it. Apologies to anyone who feels their thread was violated by this. It's nothing personal.

    Also, for the love of stuffing (anyone see South Park last week?), please stop with the insults to each other! There is no need for it. Attack the post, NOT the poster. Or ignore the post (even better). Enough is enough!!!!




  7. #142

    Re: John Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by mrfactoid View Post
    . Ozzi is why Harbs looks good
    Good players are almost always why coaches look good in the NFL. You can't win without 'em.




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    Re: Explain this Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Revisionist history. Reed had never fumbled before the Steeler game. 34 kick returns, zero fumbles. So, any "history of fumbleitis" goes back an entire week. Period.
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    Re: The John Harbaugh Debate Thread (Merged Threads)

    2 cents from a 1 cent mind...

    Whether it’s sports or business or even at home one of the more important things that a teammate, co-worker or family member should possess is accountability.

    Everyone makes mistakes and the only way any of the above gets better as a unit is to identify, admit to and work to correct those mistakes.

    Humility is an understated quality. Some are afraid to admit mistakes because they believe it represents weakness which ultimately leads to disrespect. It’s quite the opposite if you ask me. Having the guts to man up and admit the error of your ways and commit to correcting them shows far more character than sticking your head in the sand and pretending the screw ups either didn’t happen or fail to acknowledge their occurrences.

    What does that accomplish?

    We’re all very well aware of the puzzling dearth of touches for Ray Rice during the team’s 3 road losses. In Tennessee Rice had 18 chances to advance the ball (13 rushes, 5 receptions); in Jacksonville the number fell to 13 (8,5); and then this past Sunday the number again hit 13 touches (5, 8).

    Harbaugh vowed after the debacle in Jacksonville that Rice would run it more but that hasn’t really happened.

    Down by 12 at half to the 29th ranked offense in the league that puts up an average of 16 points a game, the Ravens ran the ball just once – ONE TIME in the second half during the 34 offensive snaps taken after intermission.

    During his weekly Monday presser a chippy John Harbaugh defended the team’s decision to shut down the rushing attack.

    "I don't know how you would do it any differently," Harbaugh said. "We were in a situation where we lost two possessions. When you don't have very many plays, it's hard to build up your running game. And when you're down, you've got to throw it to get back in the game.”

    Down 12 coach to the Seahawks…THE SEAHAWKS and TAVARIS JACKSON! And you are really trying to justify 33 throws v. 1 run?

    Really?

    No one is buying what Harbs is selling and let’s just hope he’s more humble in front of his players.

    After the game Ray Rice declined interview requests, saying he would reserve his comments until Wednesday. "I don't want to say the wrong thing right now.”

    Naturally everyone is blaming the play caller Cam Cameron. Did Cameron miss all those open receivers? Did Cameron drop all those passes? Did Cameron fumble 2 kickoff returns? Did Cameron fail to force a punt when the Ravens had the great Tavaris Jackson on the ropes facing a first and 20 from his own 10 yard line?

    Rhetorical questions for sure and I’m not here to defend Cameron’s play calling or his handling of Joe Flacco. There’s plenty of blame there.

    But if John Harbaugh is more involved in the offense this year as he promised during the offseason it stands to reason that if Cameron truly was directing the offense and ignoring his playmaker running back that Harbaugh at any time could step in and say, “Hey Cam, we need to get the ball in Ray’s hands.”

    So if we’re to take Harbaugh at his word – that he’s more involved in the offense and that he believes the game situation necessitated the play calling that went down, then the Ravens are in trouble.

    If he’s just giving lip service to the media and in turn the fans, then he’s disrespectful and is lacking in accountability.

    And if he delivers this same insulting spin to his players and means it, how can he ask them to be accountable when he is not?

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    Re: The John Harbaugh Debate Thread (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    2 cents from a 1 cent mind...

    Whether it’s sports or business or even at home one of the more important things that a teammate, co-worker or family member should possess is accountability.

    Everyone makes mistakes and the only way any of the above gets better as a unit is to identify, admit to and work to correct those mistakes.

    Humility is an understated quality. Some are afraid to admit mistakes because they believe it represents weakness which ultimately leads to disrespect. It’s quite the opposite if you ask me. Having the guts to man up and admit the error of your ways and commit to correcting them shows far more character than sticking your head in the sand and pretending the screw ups either didn’t happen or fail to acknowledge their occurrences.

    What does that accomplish?

    We’re all very well aware of the puzzling dearth of touches for Ray Rice during the team’s 3 road losses. In Tennessee Rice had 18 chances to advance the ball (13 rushes, 5 receptions); in Jacksonville the number fell to 13 (8,5); and then this past Sunday the number again hit 13 touches (5, 8).

    Harbaugh vowed after the debacle in Jacksonville that Rice would run it more but that hasn’t really happened.

    Down by 12 at half to the 29th ranked offense in the league that puts up an average of 16 points a game, the Ravens ran the ball just once – ONE TIME in the second half during the 34 offensive snaps taken after intermission.

    During his weekly Monday presser a chippy John Harbaugh defended the team’s decision to shut down the rushing attack.

    "I don't know how you would do it any differently," Harbaugh said. "We were in a situation where we lost two possessions. When you don't have very many plays, it's hard to build up your running game. And when you're down, you've got to throw it to get back in the game.”

    Down 12 coach to the Seahawks…THE SEAHAWKS and TAVARIS JACKSON! And you are really trying to justify 33 throws v. 1 run?

    Really?

    No one is buying what Harbs is selling and let’s just hope he’s more humble in front of his players.

    After the game Ray Rice declined interview requests, saying he would reserve his comments until Wednesday. "I don't want to say the wrong thing right now.”

    Naturally everyone is blaming the play caller Cam Cameron. Did Cameron miss all those open receivers? Did Cameron drop all those passes? Did Cameron fumble 2 kickoff returns? Did Cameron fail to force a punt when the Ravens had the great Tavaris Jackson on the ropes facing a first and 20 from his own 10 yard line?

    Rhetorical questions for sure and I’m not here to defend Cameron’s play calling or his handling of Joe Flacco. There’s plenty of blame there.

    But if John Harbaugh is more involved in the offense this year as he promised during the offseason it stands to reason that if Cameron truly was directing the offense and ignoring his playmaker running back that Harbaugh at any time could step in and say, “Hey Cam, we need to get the ball in Ray’s hands.”

    So if we’re to take Harbaugh at his word – that he’s more involved in the offense and that he believes the game situation necessitated the play calling that went down, then the Ravens are in trouble.

    If he’s just giving lip service to the media and in turn the fans, then he’s disrespectful and is lacking in accountability.

    And if he delivers this same insulting spin to his players and means it, how can he ask them to be accountable when he is not?

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    This is very well put Tony.

    I think we're gonna see the players dictate how the offense orchestrates itself from here on out. I have to think Bisciotti & Ozzie aren't gonna let those 2 Steeler wins pass the franchise by. My gut tells me that the players will have a lot more say on what plays are called here on out.

    I remember a couple of weeks back listening to Wally Williams talk about how players will trust the coaches up to a certain point, but once that trust is gone and their season on the line they'll take it upon themselves to see what plays are called.




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    Re: The John Harbaugh Debate Thread (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by Knox Harrington View Post
    I remember a couple of weeks back listening to Wally Williams talk about how players will trust the coaches up to a certain point, but once that trust is gone and their season on the line they'll take it upon themselves to see what plays are called.
    Like Trent Dilfer and Shannon Sharpe did in the Super Bowl year.




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    Re: The John Harbaugh Debate Thread (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    2 cents from a 1 cent mind...

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    I agree with this 100%. I don't see how you can justify passing that much.




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    Re: The John Harbaugh Debate Thread (Merged Threads)

    Nice article Tony.

    And if the CAM thread could also be merged into one you sure would have a clean board
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    Re: The John Harbaugh Debate Thread (Merged Threads)

    Information request: Does anyone know--

    1. What the Ravens' usual schedule when preparing for a home game? Any practices on Saturday? Any activity Sunday morning?
    2. Same question re away games, plus, do they ever practice after they arrive? Curfews, bed checks?
    3. There are 3 outdoor fields & one indoor field at The Castle. Anyone know what surface they have on each?

    I have this nagging feeling there is some systematic factor affecting those road losses, & I'm just gathering data for consideration. Thanx in advance.




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    Re: John Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by BaltimoreBoh View Post
    It's obvious who is to credit for the Colts success. It aint the coach. Not fair to compare anyone to whomever is the Colts coach while Peyton is the QB. He could make anyone look like a good coach.

    Overall I think Harbaugh has a done a good job. Today's loss was more execution than game plan. If Reed hadn't fumbled twice to give up 6 easy points this would have been a different game.
    It is as well obvious as to who is running the show for the Ravens. Were dependent on Ray Lewis and his ability to carry this defense. Not John Harbaugh, noe Joe Flacco but Ray Lewis. He is the true coach of this team.




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