OT- What the heck is happening with Miami (The U)?

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SMU was MUCH worse than Miami. First off they were already under probation for multiple violations before the big one came out. Also the GOVERNOR of Texas was involved and said that SMU had to insure that 3 players get their monthly money from their secret slush funds so those players wouldn't spill the beans of their secret payments before they could finally close it without anyone noticing. Both programs had boosters illegally paying players, but the fact that the SMU administration was actually the ones running it with the governors fingerprints all over it made it the worst possible scenario.

All this will take years to figure out. The NCAA spent 5 years on ONE player in USC. How are they going to take down 72? Hell it wasn't even their investigating that brought this to light, it was a media outlet and a convicted felon! This will take years to investigate.

What I find absolutely hilarious is that Miami is losing top recruits to all those great SEC schools like Alabama (who has two coaches that knew the Miami booster--Nick Saban is in for some fun!), Florida, LSU, Georgia, etc; Why do you think they are flocking there? No one can be so blind to think what happened at Miami is not as rampant in all major conferences including the SEC.

If the NCAA actually bothered to investigate all the major schools they'd see Miami is just the tipping point. But of course it is not in their best interest to do so because of the billions of dollars that are at stake with TV contracts.

Not to mention the head of their infractions committee loves to deal out punishments to other schools, but now it is revealed that it was his school that is accused of allegations 100x worse than USC.

Paul Dee personifies the corruption and hypocritical organization that the NCAA is.

[HoustonRaven]

SMU was MUCH worse than Miami. First off they were already under probation for multiple violations before the big one came out.

So too was Miami, not to mention they were already caught once bore for this same type of rules violation thanks to Luther Campbell.

Also the GOVERNOR of Texas was involved and said that SMU had to insure that 3 players get their monthly money from their secret slush funds so those players wouldn't spill the beans of their secret payments before they could finally close it without anyone noticing

Wrong. Bill Clements wasn't involved and nobody has accused him of such. He found out about in 1984 and tried to phase out the program. He didn't become Governor until 1986.

All this will take years to figure out. The NCAA spent 5 years on ONE player in USC. How are they going to take down 72? Hell it wasn't even their investigating that brought this to light, it was a media outlet and a convicted felon! This will take years to investigate.

Yes. Agreed. Which is why this is much bigger than SMU. Shaprio is just one booster and it implicates 72 players. His involvement alone makes it larger than SMU. Now add into it that Shalala probably knew what was going on and knows about other boosters like Shaprio and it's not even close.

[NCRAVEN]

Innocent until proven guilty.

Do I think something happened, absolutely. Let's just wait and see what can be proven before we say throw the book at them.

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So too was Miami, not to mention they were already caught once bore for this same type of rules violation thanks to Luther Campbell.

In order to in act the death penalty the NCAA has to use the "repeat violators" clause in their rulebook. The program has to already be under probation on top of the violations they already committed and Miamis football program was not under probation. They could use another clause where they use Miamis baseball team which was under probation but that would be a huge reach. SMU got hit hard because they were already under probation and Miami wasn't.

Wrong. Bill Clements wasn't involved and nobody has accused him of such. He found out about in 1984 and tried to phase out the program. He didn't become Governor until 1986.

On March 3, 1987, Clements admitted that he and the other members of the SMU board of governors had approved a secret plan to continue payments to 13 football players from a slush fund provided by a booster. Clements said that the board agreed to "phase out" the slush fund at the end of the 1986 season, but that it felt duty-bound to honor prior commitments to the players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cl...ts_as_governor

[HoustonRaven]

You do know that NCAA probation isn't like criminal court, right?

Just because Miami was not on any probation when the Shapiro mess was discovered is meaningless. When a school is off probation, the clock does not start over. If they commit anther infraction, the penalty is worse. They don't go back to square one.

Thank you for making my point about Clements. Wiki is not your friend:

http://blog.chron.com/sportsmedia/20...death-penalty/

All events occurred BEFORE he was Governor.

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You do know that NCAA probation isn't like criminal court, right?

Just because Miami was not on any probation when the Shapiro mess was discovered is meaningless. When a school is off probation, the clock does not start over. If they commit anther infraction, the penalty is worse. They don't go back to square one.

There is the four-year statute of limitations. Miami was not on probation during the time this occurred so the NCAA can't enact the "repeat violators" clause and give them the death penalty.

Thank you for making my point about Clements. Wiki is not your friend:

http://blog.chron.com/sportsmedia/20...death-penalty/



All events occurred BEFORE he was Governor.

It doesn't matter when he was governor--the fact is someone elected into office was allowing all these illegal transgressions to go on when he was in charge and that was bad enough. And all this news came out while he was in office making it even worse.

Yes, said Clements, he had found out about the illegal payoffs to SMU players in 1984, when he was president of the university's board of governors.

Yes, he could have blown the whistle, but didn't.

"The decision to phase out the system of payments of SMU players was wrong," Clements admitted. "In hindsight, it is clear we were wrong. SMU is the victim of a system that should have been stopped immediately."

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-03-..._1_smu-players

[HoustonRaven]

There is the four-year statute of limitations. Miami was not on probation during the time this occurred so the NCAA can't enact the "repeat violators" clause and give them the death penalty.

Might want to read up on the Willful Violators clase.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...use-with-miami

It doesn't matter when he was governor--the fact is someone elected into office was allowing all these illegal transgressions to go on when he was in charge and that was bad enough. And all this news came out while he was in office making it even worse.

Oh, ok. Move the goal posts why dont ya.

First it was all an outraged because he was Governor at the time. Now it's he was elected after the fact that makes it bad. Which is it?

SMU -- Three players, a few booster and an administration that tried to sweep it under the rug and at least tried to stop it.

Miami -- 72 players (so far) from just one booster (so far) and an administration that it appears knew what was going on and didn't even try to put a stop to it.

It's not even close. Miami is FAR worse than SMU. And the most compelling detail is they surpassed SMU even before the investigation has really started to ramp up.

[Golden Era at The U]

As a Miami fan, my thoughts on this matter are much too long for a post on this thread.

I'll leave it at this:

I'm disappointed in the students involved.
I'm very disappointed in the adults involved and the University.
I'm VERY disappointed in the bullshit hypocritical way the NCAA does 'business'.
Shapiro shouldn't be left in general population...scum like him aren't safe.
A death penalty won't happen, nor should it.

I hear ya, however, ... I'm following this somewhat closely for obvious reasons, but Shapiro's account has had more holes punched into it than a one acre block of Swiss cheese.

While there is some blatant wrong-doing, the Yahoo story is highly sensationalized and the falsehoods by far outnumber the real facts in the "information" that Shapiro provided.

Then of course some of the legitimate things include players having gone to a bowling alley, had a typical "bowling alley snack" and maybe a couple of drinks, asked for their tab and discovered that someone had covered it. Seriously, worth "the death penalty" for a player? ... hardly.

This article is also somewhat dated relatively speaking. Much more has come out, like what a weasel, really psychopath, Shapiro is. His own personality may be his own undoing in what from his end amounts to nothing more than a psychopathic big tantrum. What you have is an egomaniac not being able to cope with what a dirtbag/AH/D-bag he is and who therefore is taking his frustrations out in typical childish fashion, just at echelons higher than your typical tantrum.

Are there legitimate violations? No doubt. But Miami hired a PI to follow this a$$clown and took other measures to ascertain the sources of his wealth from which his large donations to the athletic department came. Nothing came up. Were they supposed to say, "we don't want/need your money anyway?"

Agreed, shame on those players that did knowingly break rules, but I cannot fault players for wanting to pay a tab and finding out that someone already had on their behalf. We're talking a meal here, that's all. It's not like they deliberately made deals to go get hundreds of dollars worth of free tattoos or the like. ... again, granted, there may be some stuff like that that shows up, but most of what has surfaced is unsubstantiated.

The NCAA and investigators have their hands full simply attempting to find the truthful stuff amongst the gobs of garbage and crap that is nothing but made up nonsense that Shapiro claims is true. Things like pre-game pics that he claims were taken with players at a game in one color jersey when it's been proven that they weren't wearing that color at that game, or that his claim of the date doesn't match up with the date of the game. Stuff like that. U Fans are all over this. Nevertheless, there's going to be quite a bit of a mob mentality on this as well.

As to Shapiro, the guy all but theatened a Miami staff person's life in a box at a game. That tells you all you need to know about him.

The NCAA does need to rethink it's strategy re: players and stipends and the like though.

I agree with those that claim that if the NCAA drops the hammer on Miami then it hurts itself in the process. There's going to have to be some give/take here, but the one clear thing for those informed in this matter, the media is making much more of it, whatever is there, than actually exists. Go figure, eh.

[Golden Era at The U]

Here's one great piece on it from the perspective of Miami...

http://allabouttheu.yuku.com/topic/1...pbox----collap

I hope the link works and you don't have to be signed up there to access it.