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  1. #16

    Re: Last year and this year



    I'm thrilled at the fast start. I do find it frustrating that the credit gets misplaced.




  2. #17

    Re: Last year and this year

    Tex Ritter - Let me start by saying that I truly feel that at the end of the year I am convinced that we'll all be able to look back and recognize Mr McNair's contribution to the team.

    At some point during the year it will be clear that our passing game will have improved over last year.

    At the risk of being discredited before my thought is fully articulated I'll say that I agree with Brian Billick's comments after the (I think) the Tampa Bay game...suggesting that if Kyle Boller had a similar game there would have been a lot of commentary about it.

    So in answer to where my frustration to the public's reaction to our performance is directed...I'll say its towards some fans and a lot of media.

    I think a lot of what has been said in terms of the offense being more efficient will prove true at some point. But help me out for a sec in regards to what has transpired so far...lets take a look at last year at this point. Boller came out against the Colts on fire...only to see drives stalled due to penalties and scoring opportunities because Stover decided to miss a years worth of kicks for him in one game.

    Against the Titans the defense had read too many of Rex Ryans press clippings and had expected the opposition to lay down for them. It quickly became a theme for the 2005 season. You could almost hear their expressions of bewilderment..."Wait, don't they know we are the Ravens using this great 46 defense, why aren't they laying down?" Then came the implosion at Detroit. One might make a case that some of the trouble was furstration at a lackluster offense. On the surface it makes sense. But the old adage proves true...the QB gets too much blame for failures and too much credit for success. So if the frustration was at a lackluster offense...where the frustration was directed within the offense was misplaced. At least based on what we've seen so far. I think that Mr McNair will be personally responsible for two more wins than last season. We've seen neither of those wins yet.

    Sometimes whether in politics, rumors, sports, or whatever a concept gets repeated so often that it is accepted as fact without scrutiny. My observation is that is happening a little with all the credit that McNair has gotten from the media. I can't remember which outlet...but one of the Power Rankings had a comment beside it that betrayed that the author didn't even watch the game/highlights.

    I am hopeful that McNair will be able to maintain composure playing with poor pass protection. Offhand I can't think of many examples of players who have. Lack of composure is something that unfortunately may be learned.

    In a two game span...the only improvement I see on offense is the run game. I defer judgement on turnovers.

    Bottom line, I've given this more billing that is warranted given our quick start. In my mind I'm asking for objectivity in how we evaluate our QBs in Baltimore...thus one day we might be patient enough to let one develop instead of labeling the same performance as last year an upgrade. As poor as McNair's passing game has been this year...its better than it was in McNair's third year. That should give us all hope that the flashes of brillaince we saw from Boller at the end of last year may have been the beginning of his maturation.




  3. #18

    Re: Last year and this year

    Last year was the first year for both Ryan as defensive coordinator and Fassel as offensive coordinator. I know Fassel had been around the previous season but he wasn't the coordinator, as he was last year. I think the players are more comfortable with the coordinators and the schemes.

    I also think the attitude of the team is much better, for a variety of reasons. McNair's arrival is part of it, the contract extensions of key players are a part of it, and whoever got into Ray's head and changed his attitude is part of it.

    And of course, having a healthy Ray Lewis and Ed Reed is a big, big factor. The defense has been awesome these first two games.




  4. #19

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    516, I agree with you concerning fans giving a QB time to develop. The trick is making sure you have one worth the time. I do believe Boller is worth the time, but the team really screwed him in the process. For one you don't start a rookie QB when you have a playoff caliper team. Bilick really had no choice since his only other option was Chris Redman, who was hardly a vet Kyle could learn from. Boller did outplay him that preseason. That was the time to bring in a Kerry Collins.

    Secondly it is impossible to develop any QB behind a shitty line. Which is what we've had since 2000. A line like ours will destroy a QBs confidence and instill the fear of God on every snap. There is one line worse than ours, and that is Houston's. Look at how poorly David Carr has developed.

    Thirdly, when you combine the shitty line with POS receivers for the first two years of a QBs development, then you are asking for failure. You are basically gauranteeing that the only play the QB will have success with is the hand of to the running back. When guys can't catch or get seperation you are going to rack up the INTs. It's inevitable that a QB will force a ball when everyone is covered all the time.

    I like Boller and think he has tons of potential. The FO royally fucked up in his development process. After this two year window closes I think Boller should be the starter. I also think we should begin our rebuilding in the trenches, and I think we may need a new GM to do it.




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    Re: Last year and this year

    The difference is Ben is instinctive when the pocket breaks down and looks up field to try and make a play. Boller tends to tuck the ball and run (sometimes right into a defender).

    It is sad that we were excited when we saw Kyle sidestep for maybe the first time this preseason and declared it a sign of growth. Ben has been comfortably sidestepping since his first start.

    And the real difference is that we were the only team that from 02-06 expected the D to not only stop people from scoring but also score themselves. Without the pressure of having to not screw up AND make plays to put up points they are playing more loose and as a unit. That and NGATA.




  6. #21

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    I completely disagree that our line pass protects better than the Steelers. I think the Steelers line is one of the best in the league, and I think that is a huge reason for their success. I don't even think Roth is that great of a QB, although he does have a nice ability to move in the pocket. He has a great line, and a perrenial pro-bowler in Ward to throw to. He has also always had a fantastic running game. He didn't have that last Monday, and look what happened.

    In week one we saw Charlie Batch, who is far from a world beater, step into that position and perform pretty damn well. That shows that the Steeler system relies on more than just the QB.




  7. #22

    Re: Last year and this year

    Ben's pass protection was among the worst in the league last year regarding sacks/attempt. I posted an analysis early in the offseason showing the breakdown.

    That said, Ben has been efficient but not a playmaker. His high passer rating is certainly an exception among young QB's. Using him as an example of what to expect from a young QB is probably not fair to any young QB. Regardless, Ben as with all QB's would play better with improved protection.

    I dare say that McNair is a better QB than Ben...and he needs protection.

    If Kyle continues to develop as I expect he will, he will be more of the Brett Farve mold...high highs and low lows. He tries to do things with his athleticism that many QBs don't.

    I've gotten off the point of the thread a little...regarding this year vs last...

    Right now....is Landry better than Demps?




  8. #23

    Re: Last year and this year

    Right now....is Landry better than Demps?
    YES!!!




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    Right now....is Landry better than Demps?
    I'm waiting until we play the Bengals to answer that question. So far....looking good.




  10. #25

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    3 quick takes.

    1. I agree the Steelers O-line is far better than Ravens...has been for years

    2. I doubt anyone will say this phrase any time this year: "Man, I sure miss Will Demps".

    3. The redzone TD conversion % is actually down from last year thru 2 games.
    2005: 2/4 = 50%
    2006: 3/9 = 33%

    FM




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    Re: Last year and this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Fanman View Post
    3. The redzone TD conversion % is actually down from last year thru 2 games.
    2005: 2/4 = 50%
    2006: 3/9 = 33%

    FM
    Isn't it a plus that we've actually been in the red zone 5 more times thru 2 games this year than last year?




  12. #27

    Re: Last year and this year

    losac,

    Yes it is a plus the redzone chances have increased...but unless the TD % goes up as well the team won't go very far. You can't beat good teams on FG alone...we proved that for the last 3 years.

    FM




  13. #28

    Re: Last year and this year

    If so, then why does the offense look so mediocre? In particular: the overall passing game and the Red Zone bewilderment. Maybe he will come along, but, thus far, our offense isn't performing at a level to beat the good
    I don't care about yardage stats and made up things like QB rating. What matters to me is turnover differential and points scored vs. points allowed in judging the team. The offensive part of the equation is preventing turnovers and scoring points. So far, the offense isn't giving up turnovers and whether they are 2% or 50% in the red zone they're still putting up a good amount of points.

    Check out this info from the preview of the Ravens vs. Chiefs game in 2003. Turnovers mean so much to this team's success:
    http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/09...vs_the_ravens/
    Since Brian Billick took over the helm of the Ravens in ‘99, Baltimore is 40-2 (.952) when owning a positive turnover mark, including a streak of 33 consecutive wins. The Ravens haven’t lost a regular season contest when owning a positive turnover mark since losing 10-3 at WAS (10/15/00) when Baltimore was +1 (2 takes/1 give). Conversely, the Ravens are 1-29 (.033) when owning a negative turnover ratio since ‘99, including a string of 17 consecutive losses. Baltimore’s only win with a negative turnover margin since ‘99 was a 24-21 victory at JAX (11/25/01) when the club was -2 (0 takes/2 gives). The Ravens are 8-3 (.727) with an even turnover mark under Billick. Remarkably, Baltimore is a whopping +82 (151 takes/69 gives) in its 49 regular victories and -63 (36 takes/99 gives) in its 34 regular losses dating back to the start of the ‘99 campaign.
    Check this info about scoring and turnover diff:
    2006 (so far)
    27.5 points a game.
    3 points allowed a game.
    +8 turnover ratio

    2005
    16.6 points scired a game.
    18.6 points allowed a game.
    -10 turnover ratio

    2003 Last time the Ravens made the playoffs with a statistically terrible offense:
    24.4 points scored a game
    17.5 points allowed a game
    +3 turnover ratio

    2001
    18.9 points scored a game
    16.5 points allowed a game
    can't find the turnover ratio

    2000
    20.8 points scored a game
    16.5 points allowed a game
    +23 turnover ratio




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    Wow, just goes to show you how important turnovers are. (I love the apple ones) We are 40-2 in games when we win the turnover battle? That figure is more than just impressive, it is astounding!

    Let's hope the coaches can convey this importance to the players. No holding the ball like you are walking out of McDonalds with a bag of 1/4 pounders. Being alert for chances to slap it out of a running back or wideout's hand. Being alert to what is around you at all times, etc.
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    Re: Last year and this year

    I'm amazed that Ben Spellcheck gets sacked more than Boller. I guess he gets better protection, and is more likely to stay in the pocket and take the sack, rather than run or throw a pick; Boller seems so used to getting pressured that he automatically runs as the pocket collapses. I'd rather take the sack than throw a pick. whatever else you say about the Ravens O, they've only turned it over once so far.
    at this point I'm not very impressed with McNair; either he still isn't 'comfortable', or maybe his arm hurts. or maybe the line still stinks.
    Looks like the D is definitely better. maybe less pressured to make plays, having confidence in McN & the O to get some points. maybe some of the guys who departed (Deion?) were bad in the locker room. Ngata is definitely an upgrade, and BScott is terrif. Landry seems to make more plays than Demps.




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