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  1. #31

    Re: Last year and this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    Maybe last year, but if you want I can post the career sacks per passing attempt of Ben versus Boller and Ben gets sacked more times per attempt. Ergo proving that he does not seem to get better pass protection than Boller. Factor into it that he is harder to physically bring down and it just shows that blaming lack of pass protection primarily on Boller's faulty development is untrue. That's all I am saying here and will post on it no more on this thread unless anyone questions the career stats.
    Read my post again carefully; I'm agreeing that Ben was sacked more per attempt. Respectfully, I'll disagree that Ben's success suggests that Bollers problems aren't at least partly related to poor pass protection.

  2. #32

    Re: Last year and this year

    Pass protection isn't, and has never in the history of Football been measured on sacks alone. That's why when you see a QB's stats on the screen during a game they also measure things like "Hurried", "Hit", and "Pressured".

    Simply using sacks as a way to measure pass protection then to somehow suggest that the Ravens pass protection is better than the Steelers is extremely flawed and actually pretty much untrue anyway.

    Really, all you have to do is watch the games and you can see the difference.

  3. #33

    Re: Last year and this year

    Ummmm, he's only been in 2 games so far, I would expect that he'd have fewer sacks and picks than Boller or Wright. So that also is not only flawed thinking, but considering McNair threw double digit interceptions in every 15 or 16 week season as a Titan doesn't mean he won't throw as many this year either.

    However, in watching the games it appears that one reason Ben gets sacked more often than Boller is he probably throws fewer dumb passes hence his lower interception total. Instead, Ben takes the sack.
    Right, you mean like in the SuperBowl when he threw 2 picks for a 34.1 rating, or last week against the Jaguars when he threw 2 picks for a 38.7 rating? The only difference in the two performances was he didn't have a running game to back him up like he did having Bettis last year. It's going to be interesting to see how Big Ben does without a running game this year.

    Again, it's all about watching the games.

  4. #34

    Re: Last year and this year

    Well, I could have added the couple of playoff games in his rookie year that his defense bailed him out of too, but I felt his last two games were good enough.

    Their best runner is still playing only they are only missing the short yardage and endzone specialist in Bettis.
    All teams need a 3rd down back. That's why we have Musa. Here's an interesting stat. There were no running first downs last Sunday for the Steelers. The Jaguars effectively shut the Steeler's running game down. And that's all you're going to have to do to put the Steelers' backs to the wall every week.

    You put Ben behind our O-line, or the Raiders line, or the Houston Texans line, and then tell me he wins a SuperBowl or 15 games total with those teams.

  5. #35

    Re: Last year and this year

    So, how about 3 games in a row? Does that count? The Steelers lost again, and Big Ben threw a pick in the endzone on the last play, which BTW was his 3rd pick of the day.

    Today's line: 18/39 208 yards, 0TD/3INT. QB Rating: 30.7

    So let's count it up. 2 games, 0 touchdowns, 5 interceptions. QB Rating of 34.3 That is clutch.


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