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  1. #106
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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?



    Yes, he played well in 2 games at home. Then he played like a complete dog in the finale vs. Cleveland on the road.
    I agree, Boller looked pretty good all year at home, but he was a completely different Quarterback on the road. It seemed like he was almost intimidated of other teams fans and staduim. McNair has already proved that he can be poised and focused on the road, which will lead to more wins this year.

    If Boller would have had a great game in the season finale last year, I don't think we would even have McNair at this point.




  2. #107

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    In spite of all this bickering, it seems to me that most of us agree on a few very important points -- we know McNair has a proven track record, we agree that he had a bad game in the home opener, and we think the passing game will improve.

    Why don't we give this debate a rest until the next game. When we get into these QB debates, we seem to lose sight of an important fact -- we all want the Ravens to win.

    Let's see what happens in the Browns game, and we can pick up this discussion again (if anyone wants to).




  3. #108
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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    How many people were ready for Anthony Wright when Boller went down last Year? Most of our Boller-haters thought he was the end all to the QB woes! He stepped into the Raven offensive blender like every previous quarterback! Not many people left on his wagon are there?
    McNair....ahem..offensive MVP and pro bowler....is expected to take our offense up to the next level through his performance, and quickly. There is an adjustment time, but he should not get a free pass for making terrible and sloppy throws yesterday. These are basics of QB101 and looked bad, yet the Boller-haters would have been calling for his head even with a come back. I am thrilled to have McNair and his potential, but I'm comfortable and ready for Kyle Boller to step in when McNair goes down due to offensive line concerns.




  4. #109
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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    I think you misread my last statement Tex. I'm thrilled to have McNair and expect McNair to play every game and hope he stays healthy. I'm not expecting him to be benched if favor of Kyle as he brings far more to the table as a starting QB. I hope he stays healthy and uninjured!! I'm stating that I'm ok if Kyle has to come in and play and with the support of teammates and fans, he knows the offense and will perform. Having the opportunity to watch McNair and learn from the sidelines will make Kyle a more complete QB as he was thrown into the "blender" as a rookie.




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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    "YOu cannot be serious with your last statement? If we don't have McNair and Boller started the first three games this season we would be lucky to be 1-2. No way he wins either of these road games..."

    Wow, they have crystall balls in Maryland that can predict the past? I need to get on E-Bay right away before they're all sold out. I'm dying to find out who won our season opener against the Bucs, and who won the last Superbowl with Batch starting.
    ENFORCE THE 1ST AMENDMENT WITH THE SECOND, NEVER DISARM




  6. #111
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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Every streak comes to an end......




  7. #112

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    If we don't have McNair and Boller started the first three games this season we would be lucky to be 1-2. No way he wins either of these road games.
    So Boller would have lost the game when the Defense threw a shutout?

    Absurd.

    What would have happened yesterday is conjecture. Maybe with Boller's stronger arm, there would have been more completions in the wind. Then again, maybe with Boller's propensity to turn over the ball at the worst times, we would have lost. There's no way of knowing.





  8. #113

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    I'm just happy we won. Mcnair took this team down the field in the final minutes and put Stover is a perfect place to kick a game winning FG. Its a team game and we won it as a team. In the past we weren't playing as a team and I suspect it was because of the bad chemistry from the Offensive output. As for a crystal ball I agree with Art that nobody knows what would happen but given the history of our back-up hasn't exactly lit it up on the road, so that's why I feel Tex isn't too far off base with his analysis .

    ...and for Those who are counting money, I'd say Mcnair has earn at least 4 million of his 11 Million signing bonus: 3 mil for the wins and 1 mil for getting this team to play like a team. Its still early but so far things are looking good.

    3-0 Baby!

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  9. #114

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    and put Stover in a perfect place to kick a game winning FG.


    You know that was a 52 yard field goal, right?




  10. #115

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Stinger,

    I can;t tell what your issue seems to be..

    Mac had a good day...not a great day, not a "light the world on fire" day...but he definately had a good day.

    In case you dont believe me:

    PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RTS.
    McNair 41 23 264 2/10 1 38 0 83.8


    I know that some of you would love to see more Palmer-esque downfield bombs and some Manning-esque TD numbers, but that is NOT the guy we hired.

    We hired a crusty vet who knows how to stand strong in the face of pressure and deliver the ball where it needs to go.

    We hired a guy who is more heart than stat machine.

    Most important, we hired a guy who this offense and this team could believe would stand in there and make magic happen.

    ...and that is exactly what Mac has done by bringinig our team to 3-0 for the first time in its history.

    Many of you are in for a long season of misery and disappointment until you let go of this idea that Mac is going to light up the score board and complete 80% of his passes week in and week out. That's not why he is here.
    Last edited by Mobtown; 09-25-2006 at 12:35 PM.




  11. #116

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Mobtown. Stover doesn't make this field goal. What's your reaction to yesterday's game?

    My issue is exactly what I said in other threads. We were sold a better offense based on a new QB. So far that better offense hasn't shown up. You can say it did, but in two weeks I haven't seen it. I just watched us have to come from behind on the freaking Cleveland Browns. 3 points in the first half against the Browns defense Mob, 3 points. And it's a damn good thing the wind was to our back in the 4th quarter or we walk out of that game with a loss.

    Sorry, but that doesn't excite me to believe next week we're going to go out and roll over the Chargers.

    MAC has not brought our team to 3-0. Our defense brought us to 2-0, and if you want to credit McNair and not Matt Stover's incredible leg yesterday then I can accept that. But I am not pretending he's been the savior all the hype has led up to. We get past San Diego and Denver with some actual offense, then I'll feel better about things.




  12. #117
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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobtown View Post
    Many of you are in for a long season of misery and disappointment until you let go of this idea that Mac is going to light up the score board and complete 80% of his passes week in and week out. That's not why he is here.

    and many of you can not discuss football. wins and losses are the end all and be all. that is for sure and no one disputes that. that being said, there is no reason why McBoller should hot catch crap for playing like crap. throw the stats up all you like. situation is reversed and Boller does what McBoller is doing and Boller gets a new a$$hole torn by people on these message boards and radio shows.

    no one can discuss this stuff. everyone seems to think if you ignore it, it will just go away. this team will lose a lot of games if they do not improve this offense.




  13. #118

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by italianjoker View Post
    this team will lose a lot of games if they do not improve this offense.
    I couldn't agree more. So many of us were so thrilled about coming from behind to win, we're ignoring the fact that this offense sucked for three and a half quarters. And it's basically the same problems the players on offense acknowledged after last week's Oakland game. Based on the player quotes I've seen so far, they're ignoring how bad they were too. I trust their tune will change after the thrill of victory has subsided and the coaches show them the tapes of this game.




  14. #119

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Mobtown. Stover doesn't make this field goal. What's your reaction to yesterday's game?
    That Cleveland outplayed us and that we deserved to lose.

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    My issue is exactly what I said in other threads. We were sold a better offense based on a new QB. So far that better offense hasn't shown up. You can say it did, but in two weeks I haven't seen it. I just watched us have to come from behind on the freaking Cleveland Browns. 3 points in the first half against the Browns defense Mob, 3 points. And it's a damn good thing the wind was to our back in the 4th quarter or we walk out of that game with a loss.
    You are selling the Browns short, they are much tougher than their record shows. RAC, Edwards, Winslow, Wimbly, Jackson and Frye will be forces for years to come. Better get used to it. And don't discount that this was probably one of their biggest two or three games of the year. They were up...way up.

    I believe that our Offense (with the exception of the "defficient on any team" OL) is still gelling and expanding their playbook. Frankly, given the pumped up Cleveland front seven, I am not all that disappointed with the OL performance.

    This team will likely take much more from a close, hard fought win than a blowout. I shouldn't have to say it since we are 3-0, but you guys need to be patient with these guys. They should only continue to get better.


    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Sorry, but that doesn't excite me to believe next week we're going to go out and roll over the Chargers.
    Then I can't help you. Our team went to war in a hostile environment and came out on top. Honestly, I'll take the exact same game next week. I don't need to roll over anyone. I just need wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    MAC has not brought our team to 3-0. Our defense brought us to 2-0, and if you want to credit McNair and not Matt Stover's incredible leg yesterday then I can accept that. But I am not pretending he's been the savior all the hype has led up to. We get past San Diego and Denver with some actual offense, then I'll feel better about things.
    I credit all the players who showed up in Q4: Mac, Stover, Clayton, Mason, CMAC, Scott, etc, etc, etc. It was a GREAT team effort. If you let the hype about Mac get to you then you never had a very realistic idea of what Mac brings (see previous post) to this team.

    How about we get past SD and Denver with 2 W's? Or does the O have to put up 50 points and 500 yards before you will believe?

    and many of you can not discuss football.
    I am happy to discuss it. Please forgive me if I choose to enjoy the W for more than 5 minutes.

    we're ignoring the fact that this offense sucked for three and a half quarters.
    Sorry, but you are just wrong. Did you even look at the stats from yesterday? With the exception of a minor variance in passing yards (34 gross yards) and a 2% difference in 3rd down conversions we won all of the battles in that game...especially the big ones, turnovers, TOP, etc.

    Was it pretty? Oh, HELL no. But it wasn't nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be.




  15. #120

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by italianjoker View Post
    throw the stats up all you like. situation is reversed and Boller does what McBoller is doing and Boller gets a new a$$hole torn by people on these message boards and radio shows.

    First, Boller had 3 years and 20+ starts to prove he was the guy. He failed, let it go.

    Second, if the situation was reversed and we were 3-0 with Boller under C people would be screaming that Boller had finally turned the corner and that we were on our way to 16-0.




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