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  1. #31

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?



    No one is saying bench Mcnair. In all this discussion I haven't heard a single person say bench McNair. But heaven forbid there is some legit concern, that happens to be shared by many, and the folks who clammored for yet another QB to pass through get up in arms.


    I'm sure Jake Plummer will still be the starter in Denver for atleast another week after his win, that wasn't pretty either.
    Jay Cutler will be the starter by week 8. His days as the Bronco's starter are numbered.




  2. #32

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    There really shouldn't be a concern about mcnair especially since we have been on the winning side of the last 2 games. I'm happy with the results. When we start losing games because of the way Mcnair plays then we should all discuss the situation but so far he has been just fine and the results are positive.

    Chalk up another win for the guys in purple.
    Be happy Baltimore, we finally have a real Quarterback


    GOD BLESS RAY LEWIS AND STEVE MCNAIR




  3. #33

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Wins are good.

    I don't think we should not be concerned. McNair played like ass and if he had been able to hit clearly open recievers, we could have overcome the line blowing goat most of the day.

    There were at least 10 poor throws, short hopping, behind guys.

    We'll see if it's a fluke. If it's not, I am very concerned.




  4. #34

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Wins are good.
    Wins aren't just good,they are everything--and thats all that concerns me.

    2 and 0 to start the season, and I give thanks to steve. thank you Mcnair


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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Childish responses?
    Why?
    Because they don't agree with you and your premise?

    Give me a break...
    If you ask me your whole motivation for starting that thread (and then coming over here to bash the people who responded to you) is childish. I almost locked it as soon as I saw it. It was a fairly obvious attempt to stir the pot...but I was pleased with the civil tone of the majority of people who answered.
    Where at all did I bash anyone that responded to me? The childish remark was made because that's what I got. Yes the poster saying I should get back to servicing Boller was only labeled childish because he didn't agree with me.

    Oh and please don't say I was trying to stir the pot. I was asking a simple question as to why Mcnair is given a free pass for a bad performance. No hidden agenda here. Just curious as to why the same excuses that were made for Boller are now being made for Mcnair.



    Basically this is what it comes down to:

    Steve Mcnair: bad game and a win= forget that he was bad and be happy with the win. If we would have lost it would have been the offensive lines fault and Mcnair would still get a free pass from many.

    Kyle Boller: bad game and a win= lets harp on the fact that he had a bad game despite getting a win. If we lost that game, this board as well as Ravens Insider would be flooded with threads calling for Bollers head.

    You now see the double standard I'm talking about?

    And yes I know Mcnair is the better QB. He has all the awards and all. This isn't a debate on who is the better QB. This is a debate on why certain fans are now using the excuses that many Boller huggers were bashed for using.

    excuses now being used by haters:

    - the offensive line sucked

    - 3-4 months for a 12 year veteran is not enough time to learn the playbook.

    - Mcnair is still getting used to his receivers despite spending 11 years with Derrick Mason.

    - Mcnair still led us to field goals. (Like Kyle Boller hasn't done that)

    It's just funny to see the tables turn all of a sudden.


    Wins aren't just good,they are everything--and thats all that concerns me.

    2 and 0 to start the season, and I give thanks to steve. thank you Mcnair
    Wins are everything unless Kyle Boller was a part of them. Over the past at the other board we could win with Boller at the helm and you as well as others would bash him despite getting a win.

    2-0 to start the season, and I give thanks to our defense




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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Steve McNair is a known commodity and we know he can play.

    Boller is an unknown commodity and despite what the folks who hate him say, we don't know about him and McNair's performance in the pre-season and first 2 games PROVES this. Why? Because McNair is struggling behing our OL as well.

    McNair will get better as he gets more time with this team, but his non-acclimation isn't causing him to miss easy throws. It is a sense of rush he feels behind our OL, knowing his time to throw is limited. Given Boller's hyper attitude, it is exaggerated in him.

    I think McNair's performance shows Boller is better than his stats here indicate. And one would think the Boller detractors (those who have no faith at all in him) would be best served to probably not say too much at the moment.

    McNair is the better option, he stays more calm under that stress and will give us the best leadership but thinking this does not vindicate Boller to some degree I think shows unreasonableness.
    Last edited by Greg; 09-18-2006 at 05:49 PM.




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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    I agree. This is unproductive, so let's drop it and move on.
    You let me know how you feel, and I let you know how I feel. From my perspective, however, I am trying very hard to restore the civility over there everyone seems to miss...with the help of some very good people.

    I'm also really, really sick of the Boller Wars.

    Let's just watch MNF and cheer for the Jags...even though I picked the Steelers on Pick 'Em. :lol
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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Let's just watch MNF and cheer for the Jags...even though I picked the Steelers on Pick 'Em. :lol
    You got that right. I got a chance at some big money in my vegas pick 'em if the Jaguars win.




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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenMad2099
    I agree. This is unproductive, so let's drop it and move on.
    You let me know how you feel, and I let you know how I feel. From my perspective, however, I am trying very hard to restore the civility over there everyone seems to miss...with the help of some very good people.

    I'm also really, really sick of the Boller Wars.

    Let's just watch MNF and cheer for the Jags...even though I picked the Steelers on Pick 'Em. :lol

    I appreciate the resolution but I'd ask in the future when you use the word YOU in your post, DON'T! That makes it personal. We don't do personal. By the way, the fact that someone goes personal first doesn't absolve anyone else from going personal. All parties will be subject to warnings and bans.




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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Ah, the double standard is alive and well.

    McNair is a 10 year vet, a NFL Co-MVP and has had to get used to new systems multiple times. NTM, we are paying this guy $33M.

    He should get VERY LITTLE SLACK. The "learning the system" is just an excuse for poor play.

    The Bucs and Oakland have very bad defenses, yet McNair can't put up 200+ yards passing? A poor throw had absolutely NOTHING to do with "learning the system". It's called poor execution...something a 10 year vet with McNair's career numbers shouldn't have.

    When will the Boller Bashers understand the fact that the OL and the offensive system is THE PROBLEM with this offense? We've had 8 QBs...and Billick's system has destroyed them all.

    I'm just going to sit back and watch the excuses for McNair fly. I'm sure that there will be some doozies too. It won't matter though, because with Flynn and Vincent, McNair is on borrowed time.




  11. #41

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    McNair gets a free pass from me, because:

    He's a Pro-Bowl Veteran
    CO-MVP of the league
    Took his team to the Super Bowl and was seconds away from winning it.

    'Nuff said!




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    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    Took his team to the Super Bowl and was seconds away from winning it.
    Actually, tying it unless you are assuming they go for two and get it.




  13. #43

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    We won the game. holy moly with this already...plus we are keeping pace with cinni.

    pile on McNair when he loses a game or two? OK he didn't have a great game but he did enough to help win it. It seem like people are just creating an issue.

    Bury the hatchet already and lets root for all the ravens.




  14. #44

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    McNair gets a free pass from me, because:
    Can't agree.

    McNair laid an egg. No one gets a free pass with a 58 QB rating, considering that his team was leading relatively comfortably the entire game, with a power running game to relieve pressure on the passing game, and a world class defense & special teams repeatedly setting up great field position. I would expect a 58 rating from a rookie playing catch-up, not a vet who just got handed a $33 million check to "fix" the Ravens passing game.






  15. #45

    Re: Why does Mcnair get a free pass?

    But Mista T, all of a sudden, the QB rating will no longer magically matter to anyone because it's Steve McNair.

    Remember, Steve McNair was going to make defenses pay for the blitz, nevermind other teams blitz us so much because they know they can get through the line.

    Remember, Steve McNair was so good, that just by being in the huddle he was going to make Mike Flynn, Keydrick Vincent, and Tony Pashos better. I think yesterday we could put that to bed too.

    Remember all the woes of the team, win or loss were Kyle Boller's fault the last 3 years. All the above mentioned problems that Steve just experienced last night, somehow last year that was because of Boller, and McNair would make it better.

    I said last week before this game even happened I was concerned. Steve McNair earned his MVP, and he earned the right to be called an elite QB. But to think he was the answer to our problems has always make me shake my head. And to Crazy, my friend had we played Cincy in week 1 or 2, we could easily right now be 1-1. And while I think we can sit back on Cleveland because they are worse than last year, once we start playing real NFL teams, 58 QB ratings aren't going to do it.

    And just like Kyle Boller, that 58 rating won't be totally Steve's fault. But what will it matter anyway? The fans all thought the OL was magically going to improve.




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