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  1. #16
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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee



    Yeah, Oz caved in and gave Cleveland a 6th round pick!! What a pushover!!

    Just to clarify.

    We didn't "give up" a 1st rounder for Boller.

    We had 2 first round picks in 03 and none in 04.

    Boller "cost" us a 2nd round pick.
    Thats not right, we had one pick in that draft and a 1st in the 04 draft. We traded our 1st in 2004 and our 2nd in 2003 to get an extra 1st that became Boller.

    Boller didnt pan out and since he didnt he "cost" us the 1st in 2004.
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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    The Browns didn't want Ngata and the Titans for SURE didn't want McNair. Ozzie will cave and get bluffed at times. It doesn't make him a bad person though.
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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    It's a matter of opinion. The thing that jumped out at me regarding Mr. J's piece was that the team failed almost every time they traded up. Trading down seemed to yield success through a combination of good fortune and making good picks.

    The great thing about the Ravens front office (and I base this on my relationship with Eric DeCosta) is that they are not afraid to admit when they've erred. They want to know why they made mistakes and they want to take measures so that they don't happen again. Can't fault them for that...

    I think if I presented Mr. J.'s column to DeCosta, he'd acknowledge the mistakes -- the first step towards preventing their reoccurence.

    All that said, I'm happy that Eric, Ozzie, et all are on our side!




  4. #19

    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    Quote Originally Posted by Art-Florida View Post
    The Browns didn't want Ngata and the Titans for SURE didn't want McNair. Ozzie will cave and get bluffed at times. It doesn't make him a bad person though.
    Perhaps but my point was, the Browns *could* have traded the pick to someone who *did* want Ngata, and the Titans *could* have forced us to wait X more weeks before we could bring in our starting quarterback. There was some value gained each time, I wouldn't characterize either as "caving" if by that term you mean giving something for nothing.

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  5. #20

    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    Quote Originally Posted by bassgtrst View Post
    Yeah, Oz caved in and gave Cleveland a 6th round pick!! What a pushover!!



    Thats not right, we had one pick in that draft and a 1st in the 04 draft. We traded our 1st in 2004 and our 2nd in 2003 to get an extra 1st that became Boller.

    Boller didnt pan out and since he didnt he "cost" us the 1st in 2004.
    The total sunk cost invested in Boller was (1) 2003 2nd round pick and (1)2004 first rd pick. We did not lose a first rd pick, we used one a year early.




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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    I see what you are saying but any player you pick will cost you the pick you take him with, Boller cost us a 1st rounder.
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  7. #22

    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    It's a matter of opinion. The thing that jumped out at me regarding Mr. J's piece was that the team failed almost every time they traded up. Trading down seemed to yield success through a combination of good fortune and making good picks.

    The great thing about the Ravens front office (and I base this on my relationship with Eric DeCosta) is that they are not afraid to admit when they've erred. They want to know why they made mistakes and they want to take measures so that they don't happen again. Can't fault them for that...

    I think if I presented Mr. J.'s column to DeCosta, he'd acknowledge the mistakes -- the first step towards preventing their reoccurence.

    All that said, I'm happy that Eric, Ozzie, et all are on our side!
    Amen.

    I think the big key is that they had to stretch to draft in positions of desperate need and BPA (best player available). the BPA record itself speaks volumes. At the same point, it is interesting that when there is a desperate need the ravens trend to trade up for a player not worth the value.




  8. #23

    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    The total sunk cost invested in Boller was (1) 2003 2nd round pick and (1)2004 first rd pick. We did not lose a first rd pick, we used one a year early.
    Exactly.

    I was just pointing out that it's not true that we "gave up" a 1st and a 2nd for Boller because what we did was just use 2 first rounders the same season.

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  9. #24

    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    I was just pointing out that it's not true that we "gave up" a 1st and a 2nd for Boller because what we did was just use 2 first rounders the same season.
    Talk about semantics. Gave up? We gave up plenty and we have continued to give up ever since we made the pick. This isnt directed at anyone person but You are foolish at this point if you dont think we gave up a first rounder. Boller was picked in the first round, we used a first round pick to get him. A first round pick was used.

    Some are talking about Sunk cost but what about all the hidden costs that we keeping incurring. One of our first round picks in 2003 is sitting on the mother fin' bench while we had to go and get a high Priced QB. An OC has lost his job and a well respect HC cant find work around the league because of this guy.

    Look I'm still willing to give boller a chance in TC but come on already. Lets call a spade a spade.
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  10. #25

    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    Talk about semantics. Gave up? We gave up plenty and we have continued to give up ever since we made the pick. This isnt directed at anyone person but You are foolish at this point if you dont think we gave up a first rounder. Boller was picked in the first round, we used a first round pick to get him. A first round pick was used.

    Some are talking about Sunk cost but what about all the hidden costs that we keeping incurring. One of our first round picks in 2003 is sitting on the mother fin' bench while we had to go and get a high Priced QB. An OC has lost his job and a well respect HC cant find work around the league because of this guy.

    Look I'm still willing to give boller a chance in TC but come on already. Lets call a spade a spade.
    It's not semantics at all.

    I think Boller stinks but we didn't give up a 1st and a 2nd rounder for the guy.

    The net loss if you will, was a 2nd round pick.

    It's a fact.

    PP




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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    This is so simple. We traded a first round choice FOR a first round choice, period. What we "gave up" was ONE draft choice-in the second round. Comprende?
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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    Actually, before we place a lot of stock in mr. J's piece, he needs to be more accurate regarding all the times the Ravens have traded up or back for a particular player or players. For instance, he makes no mention of the trade the Ravens made on draft day in order to trade up to select Tony Weaver (5th round pick to move up in 2002. If someone offers an "opinion" as fact, they should check history to see if everything jibes. It discounts the validity of the piece if the writer doesn't offer all relevant facts. it makes his thesis look manifactured. Actually, there was another trade made in 2002 (same draft as Weaver) where the ravens traded their third round pick to the broncos for their fourth and fifth round picks. i think but am not sure since they had multiple picks, that the ravens used those two picks to draft Zastudil and Terry Jones Jr. Again, Mr J makes no mention of that trade.

    As far as i am concerned, the article is incomplete and irrelevant because all the trades aren't included.




  13. #28

    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    Quote Originally Posted by Art-Florida View Post
    This is so simple. We traded a first round choice FOR a first round choice, period. What we "gave up" was ONE draft choice-in the second round. Comprende?
    Some people can't seem to comprehend it.

    PP




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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    I would say the trade up for Ngata, before all is said and done, is likely to prove one of the best moves the Ravens gave ever made. It should fairly be viewed as a 6th round pick plus Bunkley for Ngata.

    The other trade up that didn't happen was the Ravens moving up to 7 to get Leftwich, and ending up with Suggs during the Vinkings coma in 2003.




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    Re: Ravens Overpaid For McGahee

    The trade up for Ngata we gave up a 6th round choice that they used on Babatunde Oshinowo of Stanford (who I really liked actually) who then didn't make their roster out of Training Camp. We pretty much didn't trade up actually, so why would people even consider saying it's a bad trade? Am I missing something?




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