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  1. #31
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    Re: Ravens Greatest Draft Choices of All Time



    just throwin' this out there ...

    with the "helped win a SB" criteria, i would think Duane Starks would show up along with McAlister in the top 10. Comparing Starks to Heap, I have to think Heap was the better pick, although you can argue that Starks was more beneficial to the team. For that sort of reason, I don't know how good the criteria is.




  2. #32

    Re: Ravens Greatest Draft Choices of All Time

    Starks was a good player and he may have had a brilliant career with us if he stuck around, but just because he has a super bowl win doesn't place him above a guy like heap. However a guy like Mcalister I feel is a perfect example of a guy who if matched up in one of these top ten list againt heap you need to factor in playoffs and sb wins as an elimater. last I recall heap hasn't been part of even a playoff win and to be frank he hasn't even been the top TE in the league...shockey and Tony G have held that distinction over the years.
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  3. #33

    Re: Ravens Greatest Draft Choices of All Time

    Todd Heap has done nothing but what he's been asked to do by the team, his numbers are very good but have been handicapped by the offensive problems of the Ravens.
    Every Raven fan should know that.
    He doesn't complain when he doesn't get balls thrown his way.
    He has never embarassed the team, the city or NFL.
    He handles himself with class and doesn't call out teammates or coaches.
    He doesn't show up opponents or showboat after a 8 yard gain.
    No constant whining about renegotiating about a contract he signed and agreed to even though he outperformed his rookie contract.
    You won't see him on Sportscenter because of these very things.

    Ozzie made Heap the highest paid tight end in football when his contract was up[or close], Obviously the Professionals knew what this mans value to the organization was/is.

    What Todd Heap does do is show up every Sunday, plays his behind off and a few times a season makes catches that few tight ends in history could make. Few has softer hands. I won't apologize for admiring how the man goes about his business and conducts himself. I put him at 3 because I feel he deserves it.




  4. #34

    Re: Ravens Greatest Draft Choices of All Time

    He doesn't complain when he doesn't get balls thrown his way.
    He has never embarassed the team, the city or NFL.
    He handles himself with class and doesn't call out teammates or coaches.
    He doesn't show up opponents or showboat after a 8 yard gain.
    No constant whining about renegotiating about a contract he signed and agreed to even though he outperformed his rookie contract.
    You won't see him on Sportscenter because of these very things.
    I understand why you like him because of these things. However I don't feel that these are reasons to place him higher than a player who has more accomplishments and accolades as a Raven. Being a good citizen should be a given but we all know the problems that the NFL and the Ravens have faced over the years. So that may be clouding some peoples viewpoint.

    I won't apologize for admiring how the man goes about his business and conducts himself. I put him at 3 because I feel he deserves it.
    No need to apologize for anything rife. While I dont agree with him being number 3 you are certainly entitled to put anyone you wish there. I just wish you had come back with something more substantial than just he's a good guy and has soft hands.
    WOW! I feel so fortunate that the Ravens did what they had to do to make this happen. Thank you. My Heart is with the Raven....My Heart is with Baltimore and its great fans. What can I say. Here We Go!!! --Ray Lewis
    No, Thank you Ray...
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  5. #35

    Re: Ravens Greatest Draft Choices of All Time

    I understand why you like him because of these things. However I don't feel that these are reasons to place him higher than a player who has more accomplishments and accolades as a Raven. Being a good citizen should be a given but we all know the problems that the NFL and the Ravens have faced over the years. So that may be clouding some peoples viewpoint.
    I don't think its a cloudy viewpoint at all. If a player positively affects a team and thats taken into account certainly anything negative should be as well. Whether that be threatening holdouts, whining about money, getting arrested, complaining about more touches/looks, locker room issues, jailtime, positive drug tests and/or suspensions, free lancing to make the big play and getting burned, others I'm sure.
    Those are all issues that negatively affect a team and over the course of a season impact the outcome of games and should be taken into account when making a list on any players value to a organization.

    Of course this is just my opinion and not the gospel




  6. #36

    Re: Ravens Greatest Draft Choices of All Time

    Quote Originally Posted by RustonRifle View Post
    Todd Heap has done nothing but what he's been asked to do by the team, his numbers are very good but have been handicapped by the offensive problems of the Ravens.
    Every Raven fan should know that.
    He doesn't complain when he doesn't get balls thrown his way.
    He has never embarassed the team, the city or NFL.
    He handles himself with class and doesn't call out teammates or coaches.
    He doesn't show up opponents or showboat after a 8 yard gain.
    No constant whining about renegotiating about a contract he signed and agreed to even though he outperformed his rookie contract.
    You won't see him on Sportscenter because of these very things.

    Ozzie made Heap the highest paid tight end in football when his contract was up[or close], Obviously the Professionals knew what this mans value to the organization was/is.

    What Todd Heap does do is show up every Sunday, plays his behind off and a few times a season makes catches that few tight ends in history could make. Few has softer hands. I won't apologize for admiring how the man goes about his business and conducts himself. I put him at 3 because I feel he deserves it.
    I agree wholeheartedly! His career has been sidelined by our inept offense, but w/ the emergence of SypNew, to block, we may see him emerge as THE premier TE in the league.




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