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  1. Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Just some food for thought, who were some teams that started 2-0 last year?

    Giants, Broncos, and 49ers.





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    Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Quote Originally Posted by baltimore_hokie View Post
    It's one game people. Last week, people were starting threads about our Super Bowl run this year. That much can not change in one week.

    It's a long season. I'd rather lose this game to Cincy than the game at home later in the season. Even a 10-win team loses 6 games in a season.

    Was our 2-0 start against Kansas City and Cleveland any more impressive than this 1-1 start @NYJ and @CIN? If we played our first two games against CLE and BUF, would we be any better team at 2-0 than we are at 1-1 now?

    Settle down. It's a long season (we have the same record as the 'Skins right now for Christ's sake).
    This is all undeniably true, and if I felt that the Ravens had lost to a superior team I would have no problem with it. I just feel like the Bengals are going to be exposed as a lousy team this year and this loss is going to look really bad in retrospect.





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    Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Weren't most people saying they would be happy to be 3-1 or 2-2 through our toughest stretch of the season. I am by no means saying Flacco did not stink up the joint but it is amazing how many people are getting close to jumping ship or throwing in the towel. Lucky for us there is 15 weeks of football to be played in the NFL and a ton can happen, relax!
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    Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Current division leaders:

    Miami
    Pittsburgh
    Houston
    Kansas City

    Washington
    Chicago
    Tampa Bay
    Seattle

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    Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Based on our body of work through two games, there's no question we've been overrated. Haven't you been watching?
    Where did I say we deserved the preseason hype - the steeler fans are the ones who bought into all of the preseason BS. You are what your record shows, and we currently are an average football team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    You are what your record shows
    After two weeks, no, this is not necessarily the case.

    Tampa Bay is not an elite team. Neither is Kansas City. And we are, in fact, better than many of the 1-1 teams out there right now; and some of them may well be better than us.

    Two games is simply too small a sample size to claim this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    After two weeks, no, this is not necessarily the case.

    Tampa Bay is not an elite team. Neither is Kansas City. And we are, in fact, better than many of the 1-1 teams out there right now; and some of them may well be better than us.

    Two games is simply too small a sample size to claim this.

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    You are a wise man, you panicing Raven's fans should take note.
    Defense wins championships, you guys if any, should recognize that.

    The difference between the Steelers 2-0 start and your 1-1? We got some breaks on the offensive side of the ball. When your offense gets a little more consistancy to it you'll be fine, its a long season.

    Speaking of offensive consitancy, I cant wait for Big Ben to return!! Hate all you want but he is going to make the Steelers that much tougher to beat!





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    It's sort of pathetic that on a Ravens board a Steeler fan has to be the voice of reason.

    BTW, I agree with you on Big Ben. I'm pretty sure I could play QB and the Steelers still win games with the way they're playing D. But if Ben comes back and plays well, that team could really be scary good.

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    Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Yup, much like people's reactions to everything else in modern society, it seems we swing from exuberant highs to unjustified lows here. Maybe that's part of the nature of being a dyed-in-the-wool fan...

    As others have said, two games does not a season make. I agree that there's plenty to be concerned about when it comes to Joe Flacco. That doesn't make it panic time. Why is it that so many people either want to label him "elite" or else say he's a failure? He is neither. He has the potential to become elite, but as the Bengals game demonstrated, he has a ways to go. It's also possible his career could spiral downward from here ...but I think that's a very unlikely outcome. Only time will tell. No point in all the hand-wringing.

    As to our division ....hey, apart from the Brownies it's a damned tough one. It seems a number of people keep saying that the Bengals aren't that good. That's just plain denial. They have their weaknesses and inconsistencies (just as we do), but they are a very good football team. They've owned us since last year. I don't care if our losses were caused by penalties, or turnovers, or Joe Flacco having his mind on pizza instead of coverage schemes. A loss is a loss, and Cincy has found ways to beat us. Three times straight is not a fluke. Now it's up to the Ravens to break that string next time we play them.

    Right now we're third in the division, and deservedly so. But there are 14 games left, for cryin' out loud. Last year we managed to get into the playoffs despite performing so-so (3-3) in our intra-division games. We need to do better this time out. If we do that (beating Cincy next time and at least splitting with Pittsburgh), then we'll have some credibility going into the playoffs. And if we don't, then I daresay we wouldn't deserve to go deep into the playoffs, or even reach them in the first place.

    So here's how I see it: if we're truly a championship caliber team, we'll do what needs to be done in most of the games that count. And if we're not, the fact will manifest itself by more losses against the good teams and another mediocre record within the division.

    It's a long season.
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    Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    After two weeks, no, this is not necessarily the case.

    Tampa Bay is not an elite team. Neither is Kansas City. And we are, in fact, better than many of the 1-1 teams out there right now; and some of them may well be better than us.

    Two games is simply too small a sample size to claim this.

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    Absolutely agree; however, at this point in time, this team is AVERAGE - you are what your record says you are.
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  11. Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    Absolutely agree; however, at this point in time, this team is AVERAGE - you are what your record says you are.
    Sample size renders that argument useless. 6-4 vs 9-1 are much different levels of teams, and they can be judged (in the vast majority of cases) as such fairly after playing ten games. 1-1 doesn't tell you much.

    Like I said in another thread, if we had played Kansas City (or Buffalo) and Cleveland in the first two games, according to your mantra, we would be a better team than we are with a 1-1 start @Jets and @Bengals. It doesn't really hold true at this point of the season. Semantics.





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    Re: steelers, first; cincy, second; bmore, third

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    Absolutely agree; however, at this point in time, this team is AVERAGE - you are what your record says you are.
    This isn't just false because I think it is; it's false empirically, and not just in very small samples (like the first two games of a season).

    In Liam Lenten's study of competitive balance in the NFL's unbalanced schedule, he found that when adjusting for schedule difficulty, the below adjustments should be made to win percentages over 2002 through 2009. Unsurprisingly, every team in the NFC West gets a huge negative adjustment because its division is so terrible.

    As a point of reference, an adjustment of .0625 would represent one full additional win over the course of a 16 game season. While a lot of these differences may seem small, you have to consider how much larger these effects are through two weeks when some teams have played hard portions of their schedules and some the easier portions.

    One of the more interesting results (bolded below) was that the 2004 Ravens, even at 9-7, deserved to make the playoffs over the 10-6 Broncos.

    Team 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
    Bills -0.0273 0.0663 0.0137 -0.0060 0.0175 0.0136 -0.0489 0.0116
    Dolphins 0.0098 0.0158 0.0466 -0.0410 0.0155 0.0249 -0.0330 0.0566
    Patriots 0.0274 -0.0035 0.0043 0.0118 0.0120 -0.0151 -0.0135 0.0197
    Jets 0.0020 0.0233 0.0275 0.0193 0.0275 0.0154 -0.0273 0.0176
    Ravens 0.0038 -0.0389 0.0528 0.0194 -0.0095 0.0096 0.0275 0.0255
    Bengals 0.0250 -0.0430 0.0430 -0.0174 0.0078 -0.0411 0.0457 -0.0038
    Browns -0.0117 0.0330 0.0818 0.0038 -0.0003 -0.0663 0.0642 0.0057
    Steelers -0.0086 -0.0040 -0.0015 -0.0018 0.0469 -0.0428 0.0335 -0.0097
    Texans 0.0095 0.0643 0.0019 0.0231 0.0194 0.0156 0.0176 0.0059
    Colts -0.0175 0.0003 0.0081 -0.0309 0.0237 0.0257 0.0061 -0.0152
    Jaguars 0.0018 0.0369 0.0294 -0.0271 0.0195 0.0217 0.0311 -0.0059
    Titans -0.0154 -0.0193 0.0057 0.0037 -0.0234 0.0040 -0.0309 0.0391
    Broncos 0.0294 0.0040 -0.0116 0.0101 0.0411 0.0136 -0.0430 0.0273
    Chiefs 0.0273 -0.0720 0.0488 0.0079 0.0137 0.0076 0.0250 0.0076
    Raiders 0.0353 0.0076 0.0643 0.0310 0.0465 0.0076 0.0135 0.0213
    Chargers -0.0078 -0.0042 -0.0154 0.0606 0.0082 0.0060 0.0156 -0.0368
    Cowboys -0.0060 -0.0350 0.0116 0.0255 -0.0292 0.0062 0.0001 -0.0057
    Giants -0.0135 0.0466 0.0116 -0.0018 -0.0039 0.0197 0.0100 0.0352
    Eagles -0.0232 -0.0154 -0.0368 0.0272 -0.0194 0.0625 0.0167 -0.0096
    Redskins 0.0253 0.0252 -0.0275 0.0431 0.0174 0.0567 -0.0215 -0.0159
    Bears 0.0134 -0.0137 -0.0412 -0.0369 -0.0680 0.0410 -0.0234 -0.0059
    Lions -0.0159 0.0291 -0.0079 -0.0021 -0.0023 0.0410 0.0425 0.0113
    Packers -0.0408 -0.0077 -0.0389 0.0232 -0.0117 -0.0212 -0.0001 -0.0525
    Vikings -0.0060 -0.0410 -0.0195 -0.0136 -0.0118 0.0039 0.0079 -0.0505
    Falcons -0.0028 0.0330 -0.0604 -0.0078 -0.0020 0.0076 -0.0350 0.0059
    Panthers -0.0157 -0.0486 0.0058 -0.0447 -0.0273 0.0214 -0.0037 0.0391
    Saints 0.0001 0.0000 -0.0352 0.0134 -0.0311 -0.0215 -0.0039 -0.0641
    Buccaneers -0.0095 0.0058 -0.0295 -0.0447 -0.0120 -0.0292 -0.0175 0.0446
    Cardinals -0.0060 0.0349 -0.0431 0.0018 -0.0178 -0.0664 -0.0117 -0.0507
    Rams 0.0058 -0.0583 -0.0117 -0.0197 -0.0156 0.0016 0.0211 0.0054
    49ers 0.0079 0.0097 -0.0238 0.0310 -0.0059 -0.0412 -0.0548 -0.0234
    Seahawks 0.0038 -0.0311 -0.0527 -0.0602 -0.0253 -0.0819 -0.0100 -0.0295
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