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  1. #31

    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??



    Nicely done, Festivus. But it will naturally sail over CR's head.




  2. #32

    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    As I said. :brickwall:
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  3. #33

    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    Darb, then maybe he should keep it in his pants, if you aren't able to, for any reason, be a full time father you shouldn't be having sex. </SOAPBOX>
    If I remember correctly, sex was a pretty fun way to pass the time back when I was having it. Now unless Brady was raping that woman, which I'm pretty sure he wasn't, then she shares the responsiblity for birth control.

    Let's say they both agreed to have the child. We all know custody is going to the mother 90% of the time unless she's proven unfit. Brady and What'sHerName don't have a relationship like normal people do. They don't live in the same town and work 9-to-5 jobs. For the first couple of years every other weekend is probably the best plan for visitation rights. Brady will be flying off for away games, sponsorships, ect... She'll have movies to shoot, blah blah blah... It's just better for the child not to be flying all over the country.

    Now I'm not defending Brady, nor am I bashing the guy which is pretty much my attitude towards Willis. I don't know enough about either situation to instantly declare the guys jerks.
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  4. #34

    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    Greg, Crazy stated "That honey I'm home nonsense is dead." That's a statement of fact. Surely in a moment he will back it up with a link. If he can't or won't, perhaps he is mistaken, or making a (very) broad generalization based on his personal life experience.
    Well look I dont have a link to support what I said and true its an absoute generalization but look around and open your eyes. I see many people either getting diviorced or playing the field and not owning up to there responsiblities. I know a few maryland based cops who have families without any marriage and each one provides and is part of their childrens lives.

    Now It seems the stats that you provide show that (women) who go at it alone are in poverty. That's a lot different than what where talking about here. Who said brady is not helping out? Who said he was a deadbeat dad? If he is then hell ya, fuck him but he's a good guy and even if hes not Im sure he has enough Money or the right PR people to at least make the problem go away to benifit himself , the woman and the child. Marriage isnt for everyone. So what?
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  5. #35

    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    Crazy -
    I know plenty of police, too, and I'll leave it at that, if you know what I mean.

    Noone's saying Brady's a deadbeat, but Greg was saying, hey, that's not the fatherly thing to do, I respect him less. Children growing up in a single parent home tend to suffer various ills, and even if Brady helps out as best he can, (a) he's not *there* for his kids, and (b) he's not exactly setting the best example for young football fans around the globe.

    > So what?
    So his behavior is, in the eyes of some like myself, less respectable. It's an opinion, grounded in tradition though as you point out, not universally held.

    That's what Greg was saying, I'm inclined to agree with him myself. I do, like yourself, hope dad Brady is doing what he can, from a distance.

    :toast:
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    The guy's children are a lot more likely to have many problems because there is no father present. Money does NOT solve that.

    A perfect example; Anna Nicole Smith's son who just died 6 months or so ago. If I thought crazyraven were reasonable enough that he could be swayed I would look up the statistics of children raised in homes without fathers. I am currently reading Strong Fathers, Strong Daughters and the facts are plain and clear. In this case it deals just with daughters, the facts are even more stark for boys without fathers who will find male role models to emulate. And often those they emulate are the ones they see with money who don't work. Wonder how they get that money?

    It is just fucking irresponsible to have children outside marriage and stick the rest of us with the societal ills created, his money makes up for some of it but not all of it.




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    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    Does not effect me/ my family/ my bank acct./ my tix price/ my team.....who cares
    The societal ills this kind of behavior causes does indeed affect you daily. Your taxes are higher because of it, your likelyhood of being a crime victim is, your family is less safe, etc. It actually effects you detrimentally in every aspect of you and your family's life.




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    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    No, I am not, the statistics clearly show that children that grow up without fathers are more likely to:
    a. be drug addicts
    b. be criminals
    c. be on welfare
    d. get pregnant as teenagers
    e. drop out of school

    and that is just scratching the surface.

    If you don't think these things raise our taxes, well..., I don't want to insult you.




  9. Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    1 or 2 of you need to stop beating around the bush and say it. You are blaming what you believe to be a race discrepancy. As was pointed out, this has been all over the news. I hate it when half the NBA has multiple kids by multiple babies Mommas, and I now hate that Brady has multiple kids in the same manner. It just shows an utter lack of maturity. Sure they can afford it- But that isn't the point. He didn't even have a few years in between. 2 different women at the same darn time.




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    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    The Leave It To Beaver days are over, which is demonstrated by decreased marriage numbers and children outside of marriage.
    LOL, and did the increase in all of those societal ills that coincided with that escape your attention.

    And no, poverty does not beget poverty. POOR BEHAVIOR BEGETS POVERTY! People are poor because they behave poorly, they do not behave poorly because they are poor. The statistics also prove that out.

    If you want we can take this to the political forum where I can pull out reems and reems of data that prove that kids from households without fathers have more difficulties than those from nuclear families. And I can show you where the wealth of the family, or class if you prefer, isn't the determinate.

    By the way, I am from a divorced, middle class family, I understand it from the logical, statistical point of view because I have read about it. I also understand it from the inside out. As a father maybe you don't understand the impact as much. Sorry, just the way it is.




  11. #41

    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    Greg is 100% on point.

    My original point in this thread was to distinguish between Brady and McGahee.

    Brady isn't being sued by 3 different women.

    McGahee is.

    THAT is a major difference.

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  12. Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    I understand this is not the 1950's anymore. If an unmarried couple want to have a kid, I don't really have a problem as long as they are going to raise the kid together. What I do think is a serious problem is multiple kids with multiple partners. That is never good.

    I read above that you don't hear much about rich athletes as dead beat Dads. That is simply not the case. You can read all the time about celebs with multiple out of wed lock kids being pulled into court. They don't always stay rich. See Bobby Brown.

    When Rays last contract was being negotiated I read about him needing a big score because of the large family. He had lost much of his income to Lawyers. Well, it might sound harsh, but I don't really care about the size of his family when it comes to his contract. He should get paid for what he does on a football field.




  13. #43

    Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Nurse View Post
    I also have a minor in Psychology, and both of your point of views are are common, although misguided, and most often had by well to do (wealthy/ republicans) that last part is my opinion. Again, we are not writing about society, this thread is about Brady and other pro players. So none of your points are valid!
    I think at various points during the off season we should select candidates for, then nominate, then vote for the absolute most moronic, clueless, offensive, goofy post for the entire year.

    Let's start now.
    Festivus

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  14. Re: Tom Brady is father to 2 children??

    #1, I lump celebs in with athletes cause athletes are celebs. #2, there are a million I could have named. Brown just happened to pop into my head.lol I could named Willis who is being sued by 3 woman.

    A year or 2 back SI did an in depth investigation and story on this very topic. Look it up. Woman follow NBA players around from city to City trying to get pregnant on purpose. Then they sue. Just ask Magic what he thinks of that life style.




  15. #45

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    Maybe some are speaking out because of their religous beliefs and that's unfortunate that people will judge others because of those beliefs. I have a feeling Tom Brady is doing what's right for himself and for his familes. if we hear that he is a two time bum then we can start busting his chops, until then let take a deep breath and relax...we are talking about an upstanding citzen.
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