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  1. #16

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    FUCK.

    This is exactly what I didn't want to happen. Our young, promising RT is gone on an already depleting O-line.

    We need to draft two O-lineman on the first day IMO. I know we won't, but I think we need to.

    We need a RG and a RT. Vincent sucks and Terry can't play RT to save his life, not to mention if Ogden retires, we'll need Terry to play LT.

    Blalock has to be our guy. If Staley lasts until the 2nd, I think we should grab him there. It's time to get this damn O-line situation settled. I'm tired of waiting around. It's been too long.

    Take a RB in the 3rd, get a DE/OLB in the 4th, grab a CB, QB, and resign JJ and Ovie.

    Either that, or sign a RT in free agency.




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    Re: Pashos Leaving

    I didn't mind losing AD, but this is a huge blow. Needs to be fixed, and like now.




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    Look at Kemo last year, look at Weaver that year, look at Baxter the year before, look at Hartwell that same year.

    Those guys were replaced by Ngata, Pryce, Rolle, and AD.

    We find amazing replacements when our guys get signed away. One of our replacements is going to cash in big this offseason.

    We'll be fine.
    "This year, our attitude when we’re on the field is we’re attacking, we want to put points on the board and then let our defense pin their ears back and have at it."
    -Mark Clayton




  4. #19

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    re: other posts

    1. Pashos is the best tackle in free agency along with tubby Leonard Davis of the Cardinals. I'm not joking. That's a big reason we won't be able to pay him.

    2. I don't think we're that screwed. This draft is very deep in terms of solid guard prospects, in fact, into the second day there should be "ready to start" quality guards around.

    As to blalock, according to reports at the Senior bowl it doesn't look like he can swing being a professional tackle. Maybe something has changed, but that's the outlook I got when I checked things out. UK is probably best suited to giving an opinion on that, I am going on second hand stories here since I am without the NFL network. (boo me and boo that).

    Guard depth on the team is also better than we think. You've got rimpf who was supposed to be in the running for a slot when he was injured. Brown will start, chester at center, JO/Terry at LT. Then you have Flynn, Mulitalo, Vincent, and Rimpf that can play guard and are competing for the second guard slot. Flynn can play guard and center so you've got a backup plan there.

    So when you look at the whole picture, sure, it's not pretty, especially with no JO, but it's not desperate. One ready to start RT and we're out of the woods.




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    Pashos will garner more attention than Davis because he can actually pass block and play tackle, Davis can't play tackle very well and damned sure can't pass pro.

    Guards there do seem to be a few in this draft who are 'ready to start' but at tackle as I mentioned it looks pretty thin. Joe Thomas is a no-brainer prospect (not saying he's a no brainer to succeed, but as a prospect he's a no-brainer) and then Levi Brown may be ready to start at RT but I don't see LT in him with his speed (or lack there of) and his footwork (or lack there of). That to me is why he could well fall, you don't take RTs in the top 15, you take guys who can play LT and I don't think Brown can in the pros and I think that could see him fall.

    Then after those guys you've got guys like Staley, Tony Ugoh of Arkansas etc. who are projects with the upside to play LT but not the ability to step right in and play IMO. There's lots of tweeners but to me the only guy who's really stepped up and said "yes I can step outside in a pinch" is Sears of Tennessee. Blalock proved at Senior Bowl practices that he pretty much can't step outside.

    This is why I'm wary for RT this year and sort of looking for a stop gap solution for this year rather than looking for a guy for the long term that just isn't there this year.




  6. #21

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    You're being foolish if you don't think Terry is a very realistic option at right tackle next season. Probably the most likely at this point and with a weak draft for tackles, it could very well stay that way.




  7. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDDream View Post
    You're being foolish if you don't think Terry is a very realistic option at right tackle next season. Probably the most likely at this point and with a weak draft for tackles, it could very well stay that way.
    It looks like we may be seeing Mule and Flynn start, jsut so we can keep JO, because I agree, that Terry will likely be our starting RT.

    I truly hope that Levi Brown slides out of the top 15, of which is possible due to his looking like a RT. If so I think that we HAVE TO trade up and secure him, as he is THE ONLY starting RT in the draft.




  8. #23

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    You mean we're not going to draft a QB with our 1st rounder?


    No seriously, this team is goign to have some serious needs this offseason, including RB, RT, DB, LB etc


    I wouldnt' expect 13-3 again.




  9. #24

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    My knee jerk reaction is this is grandstanding by the agent, telling the Ravens and other bidders that Tony P. ain't coming cheap.

    He could easily be gone, but he may end up staying, too.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  10. #25

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    Haven't we gone over the whole Terry at RT thing? The Ravens wanted to have him play there but it was pretty clear right away that he's strictly a LT.

    It ain't happening.

    And when did Pashos become some great RT?

    He's getting love because the F/A market is thin.

    He played well last year.

    If someone wants to overpay for him, more power to them.

    PP




  11. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    He's getting love because the F/A market is thin.
    I think that's the important point here. I was hoping to keep him, but there are teams out there with a lot of money to spend and we aren't one of them, so someone will very likely overpay for him. If so, that's just the way it goes. I'd like to see him stay but I don't want to overpay for him. He was a competent RT but he's no All-Pro.




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    Re: Pashos Leaving

    Quote Originally Posted by bassgtrst View Post
    Look at Kemo last year, look at Weaver that year, look at Baxter the year before, look at Hartwell that same year.

    Those guys were replaced by Ngata, Pryce, Rolle, and AD.

    We find amazing replacements when our guys get signed away. One of our replacements is going to cash in big this offseason.

    We'll be fine.
    One small difference... all on defense. We can find great talent and fit it into our tight defensive unit. On offense, that hasn't exactly been the case.




  13. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Haven't we gone over the whole Terry at RT thing? The Ravens wanted to have him play there but it was pretty clear right away that he's strictly a LT.

    PP
    I'd like to de-bunk this "myth". Can anyone tell me they have seen Terry play RT poorly with their own two eyes since TC of his rookie year? He did not try RT at all last offseason as Ogden was out with the passing of his father. Terry was not offerred a shot at the startign RT job simply because he was a clear improvement on the left side, and therefore allowed the team to look at other players better. Pashos was then the De- Facto starter, as he performed well.

    So please anyone contradict me. Tell me this is not a message baord perpetuated myth as I feel it is, stemming from his initial pre-draft write-ups, and first Pre-season. I'm not saying he will be all world, but I don't feel he will be a step down either.




  14. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I'd like to de-bunk this "myth". Can anyone tell me they have seen Terry play RT poorly with their own two eyes since TC of his rookie year? He did not try RT at all last offseason as Ogden was out with the passing of his father. Terry was not offerred a shot at the startign RT job simply because he was a clear improvement on the left side, and therefore allowed the team to look at other players better. Pashos was then the De- Facto starter, as he performed well.

    So please anyone contradict me. Tell me this is not a message baord perpetuated myth as I feel it is, stemming from his initial pre-draft write-ups, and first Pre-season. I'm not saying he will be all world, but I don't feel he will be a step down either.
    No, people will not tell you they've seen him play poorly at RT since TC his rookie year. The reason is the coaches saw enough and realized he's a LT only.

    I've heard DeCosta specifically say that Terry is a LT and only and LT.

    Pashos was a huge question mark coming into this season yet he was the starter with no question. If Terry could've given him a run, then why didn't they try it?

    JO wasn't out all last offseason. He missed some of TC, but not mini camps. So why didn't Terry get a shot at RT then? Because he's not a RT. Hell, he would've seen alot of time his rookie year if he could've done it. The Brown/Pashos combo of 05 was a joke yet Terry didn't sniff the field. He was a 2nd rounder who we traded up for. Take a look around the league. There a bunch of guys drafted there that see significant time yet Terry didn't.

    The FO took a risk by not upgrading the RT position last season and it paid off as Pashos played much better than expected.

    PP

    P.S. I would love it if Terry could play RT.




  15. #30

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    So nothing could possibly change so that something a kid at 22 couldn't do, due to physical limitations, that couldn't be cured over the next two years. I just really have a hard time believing that nothing could be done with Pashos, if they did not view Terry as at least an adequate stop gap. There are no starting quality tackles that will provide any sort of discount over Pashos, and the draft is thin at the position as far as day 1 starters are concerned. I could be wrong, but i'd be very surprised if Terry wasn't option 1 at this point in time. We still NEED our future RT THIS DRAFT, but It'd be nice if JO stayed a year, Terry stuck it out a year at RT and the new guy moved in day one next after the superbowl when JO, Ray and Stover call it quits.




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