Ravens likely to receive next to nothing in compensatory picks

**TL24x7** · 03-09-2010, 06:26 PM

With the net loss of one draft pick in the Anquan Boldin trade and the disclosure that the Ravens 7th round pick is headed to Tampa Bay to complete the 2008 trade for Marques Douglas (which was first reported here over 2 weeks ago), many fans are looking for the Ravens to acquire a few more draft picks when the league announces the Compensatory draft picks at the end of the month.

In fact, some fans seem to be expecting the team to receive multiple, high Compensatory picks when the announcement is made. Recently, this hope has been fueled by some in the Baltimore media, who are reporting that the Ravens should expect “at least one” Compensatory pick.

Those hopes and expectations are based on last year’s loss of premium free agents like Bart Scott and Jason Brown. However, under the Compensatory Draft pick rules, when a team signs as many qualifying UFAs as it loses – as the Ravens did - the best the team can receive is one 7th round Compensatory pick. The Ravens will be awarded that one 7th round pick, if the team’s losses are deemed to be sufficiently greater than what they signed.

This type of Comp Pick is referred to as a “net value” Comp Pick.

The 4 qualifying UFAs lost by the Ravens were Bart Scott, Jason Brown, Jim Leonhard and Kyle Boller. The 4 qualifying UFAs signed by the Ravens were Domonique Foxworth, Matt Birk, Chris Carr and LJ Smith. The Ravens also lost Marques Douglas, but since he was released by the team, he does not count as a loss for Comp Pick purposes (since they willingly gave him up).

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**Jeremiah W** · 03-09-2010, 06:51 PM

I thought over 30 year old guys did not count. I do not think the Vikings can get full value for Birk because he is over 30 so maybe he will not count enough to cancel out Brown and maybe just Leonard.

Terrance Copper and Matt Stover got signed as UFAs, they should cancel out LJ Smith if Smith cancells out anything.

I can see Foxworth cancelling out Jason Brown, but there is nothing close to the value we lost in Bart Scott. If we lost more players than we gained, even by 1, can we get a 3rd round pick, and if not why did they sign LJ Smith? They should have used a 3rd rounder instead of drafting a TE in the 5th round if it costs them a 3rd round comp pick this year also.

**jonboy79** · 03-09-2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

I thought over 30 year old guys did not count. I do not think the Vikings can get full value for Birk because he is over 30 so maybe he will not count enough to cancel out Brown and maybe just Leonard.

Terrance Copper and Matt Stover got signed as UFAs, they should cancel out LJ Smith if Smith cancells out anything.

I can see Foxworth cancelling out Jason Brown, but there is nothing close to the value we lost in Bart Scott. If we lost more players than we gained, even by 1, can we get a 3rd round pick, and if not why did they sign LJ Smith? They should have used a 3rd rounder instead of drafting a TE in the 5th round if it costs them a 3rd round comp pick this year also.

You can see things how you want. The league has rules for these things. Copper and Stover signed minimal, non qualifying deals. LJ Smith did not.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 03-09-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

I thought over 30 year old guys did not count. I do not think the Vikings can get full value for Birk because he is over 30 so maybe he will not count enough to cancel out Brown and maybe just Leonard.

Terrance Copper and Matt Stover got signed as UFAs, they should cancel out LJ Smith if Smith cancells out anything.

I can see Foxworth cancelling out Jason Brown, but there is nothing close to the value we lost in Bart Scott. If we lost more players than we gained, even by 1, can we get a 3rd round pick, and if not why did they sign LJ Smith? They should have used a 3rd rounder instead of drafting a TE in the 5th round if it costs them a 3rd round comp pick this year also.

Age does not count at all.

And the contract sizes really don't count either unless it is something really extreme...like someone signing Bart/Jim/Jason and us signing 3 guys for the minimum.

**jonboy79** · 03-09-2010, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Age does not count at all.

And the contract sizes really don't count either unless it is something really extreme...like someone signing Bart/Jim/Jason and us signing 3 guys for the minimum.

Contract size matters when there is a quantity imbalance. 4 out 3 in, and they balance the deals and give a pick based on the "unbalanced" loss.

It is quite possible that LJ Smith cost us a 3rd round pick.

**4G63** · 03-09-2010, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by TL24x7

With the net loss of one draft pick in the Anquan Boldin trade and the disclosure that the Ravens 7th round pick is headed to Tampa Bay to complete the 2008 trade for Marques Douglas (which was first reported here over 2 weeks ago), many fans are looking for the Ravens to acquire a few more draft picks when the league announces the Compensatory draft picks at the end of the month.

In fact, some fans seem to be expecting the team to receive multiple, high Compensatory picks when the announcement is made. Recently, this hope has been fueled by some in the Baltimore media, who are reporting that the Ravens should expect “at least one” Compensatory pick.

Those hopes and expectations are based on last year’s loss of premium free agents like Bart Scott and Jason Brown. However, under the Compensatory Draft pick rules, when a team signs as many qualifying UFAs as it loses – as the Ravens did - the best the team can receive is one 7th round Compensatory pick. The Ravens will be awarded that one 7th round pick, if the team’s losses are deemed to be sufficiently greater than what they signed.

This type of Comp Pick is referred to as a “net value” Comp Pick.

The 4 qualifying UFAs lost by the Ravens were Bart Scott, Jason Brown, Jim Leonhard and Kyle Boller. The 4 qualifying UFAs signed by the Ravens were Domonique Foxworth, Matt Birk, Chris Carr and LJ Smith. The Ravens also lost Marques Douglas, but since he was released by the team, he does not count as a loss for Comp Pick purposes (since they willingly gave him up).

More HERE

We got some use out of Chris Carr but LJ Smith was an absolute waste! His signing was useless when it happened and now!! :grbac:

**Dont Know** · 03-09-2010, 08:34 PM

AdamJT13 who does compensatory draft projections every year and is surprisingly accurate has Baltimore getting no picks for 2010.

His Blog

**ManfredHanover** · 03-09-2010, 08:40 PM

people are living in a fantasy world if they think we will get a 3rd round comp pick. 3rd rd comp picks would be for losing a ray lewis caliber of player. we will be lucky to get a 7th rd pick this year>

**B-more Ravor** · 03-10-2010, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

I thought over 30 year old guys did not count. I do not think the Vikings can get full value for Birk because he is over 30 so maybe he will not count enough to cancel out Brown and maybe just Leonard.

Terrance Copper and Matt Stover got signed as UFAs, they should cancel out LJ Smith if Smith cancells out anything.

I can see Foxworth cancelling out Jason Brown, but there is nothing close to the value we lost in Bart Scott. If we lost more players than we gained, even by 1, can we get a 3rd round pick, and if not why did they sign LJ Smith? They should have used a 3rd rounder instead of drafting a TE in the 5th round if it costs them a 3rd round comp pick this year also.

1. Over 30 guys do count - it's just that you cannot get any better than a 5th round pick for the loss of an over 30 UFA. Birk at $3M/year probably wouldn't have rated any higher than a 5th anyway.

2. Copper and Stover both signed veteran minimum contracts and do not qualify as losses for the comp pick formula. Plus, Stover signed after June 1, so he wouldn't count either way.

3. So, we didn't lose more than we gain - it was 4 to 4, therefore the best we can get is a "net value" 7th rounder.

4. Regarding LJ Smith - yes, it didn't work - but teams do not set their roster based on whether it's going to cost them a Comp pick in the following years draft. They set their roster based on who they think can help them that year. Again, it didn't work out with LJ, but sometimes it works, sometimes not - not every personnel move is going to pan out - but had Heap not stayed healthy, they would have had a viable back-up to step in (provided he stayed heathy).

**Dont Know** · 03-10-2010, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

1. Over 30 guys do count - it's just that you cannot get any better than a 5th round pick for the loss of an over 30 UFA. Birk at $3M/year probably wouldn't have rated any higher than a 5th anyway.

Actually it's not their actual age, but rather number of accrued seasons (10).