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    2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason



    Id make the following trades(the points matchup according to the trade value chart)

    Ravens trade their first rd pick to Tampa Bay for their 2nd, 4th, and 5th rd pick

    Ravens trade their 5th round pick, the 5th acquired in the Boldin trade and their 6th to Carolina for their 4th and a future 7th


    With Mason on the Roster

    2nd-DE Tyson Alualu- Relentless and active 3-4 DE, will start as a backup rotation guy and eventually start

    2nd-TE Rob Gronkowski- Imo he is very close to Gresham, he's faster, big fluid guy, more willing and better blocker. Gresham is a possibilty but i think he is gone before this pick.

    4th-CB Donovan Warren- Projected as a 1st round corner early in the process but a bad 40 and some inconsistency drops him here, he's still a good player, physical, good fit for the nickel has upside to start in time

    5th-WR Blair White-Think a little bigger and a little faster Jordan Shipley


    W/O Mason

    2nd-DE Tyson Alualu-see above

    2nd-WR Demaryius Thomas-Our future #1, as much upside as any player in this draft, Lafell is a legit option if Thomas isnt there, i think Lafell just plays better then he test

    4th-CB Donovan Warren-see above

    5th-TE Colin Peek-Bmore Hokie put me on to this guy so i found whatever highlights and info i could on him. He's a sneaky athlete, tough, good hands, and he will be on the field from day 1 because he is a great blocker. He shut down Sergio Kindle in the national title game.


    Thoughts?




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Thomas won't be around for long in the 2nd.

    Warren won't be there in the 4th.

    I love Alualu and Peek, but don't see the value in adding late picks when there isn't much room on the roster for many players. I think we are better off consolidating picks and gathering quality instead of quantity.

    I'm not so sure that Mason's situation affects the Draft that much. Without him, we are still in a better situation than we were last year (that ended in a playoff trip and victory). They were never going to reach for a WR in the first place.

    I would like either of these outcomes of the first round:

    1st - D. Thomas
    2nd - T. Alualu

    OR

    1st - C. Dunlap / J. Odrick
    2nd - M. Gilyard / C. Mitchell

    OR

    1st - K. Wilson / K. Jackson
    2nd - T. Alualu / C. Mitchell




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by baltimore_hokie View Post
    Thomas won't be around for long in the 2nd.

    Warren won't be there in the 4th.
    QFT

    Quote Originally Posted by baltimore_hokie View Post
    I love Alualu and Peek, but don't see the value in adding late picks when there isn't much room on the roster for many players. I think we are better off consolidating picks and gathering quality instead of quantity.
    I think the opposite. There's so much talent in this draft, I'd FAR rather take quantity. Gimme as many picks as we can get this draft, cause I don't know that there's been a better class in the last 15 years, or if we'll see another one this good for the next 15...

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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by baltimore_hokie View Post
    Thomas won't be around for long in the 2nd.

    Warren won't be there in the 4th.

    I love Alualu and Peek, but don't see the value in adding late picks when there isn't much room on the roster for many players. I think we are better off consolidating picks and gathering quality instead of quantity.

    I'm not so sure that Mason's situation affects the Draft that much. Without him, we are still in a better situation than we were last year (that ended in a playoff trip and victory). They were never going to reach for a WR in the first place.

    I would like either of these outcomes of the first round:

    1st - D. Thomas
    2nd - T. Alualu

    OR

    1st - C. Dunlap / J. Odrick
    2nd - M. Gilyard / C. Mitchell

    OR

    1st - K. Wilson / K. Jackson
    2nd - T. Alualu / C. Mitchell
    Like all of those combinations....because of the depth at corner and his bad 40 i think Warren will be there in the fourth, if not its tons of corners in this draft. This was the best way i saw get 4 quality picks plus they match up on the chart as well. Thomas has a higher probabilty of not being there then being there in the late 2nd, Lamar Houston would be a nice option if Alualu is there but he's just become my favorite player in this draft and i really want us to grab this guy




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Why are other teams wanting to make these trades? Why, for example, does Tampa Bay want to move up from the 2nd to the 1st?

    Second, Ozzie picks best player available, not need. Same picks with or without Mason given the same slot. Now Ozzie might want to move up or down based on the board and need, but when we go on the clock it is best player, not need.




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    QFT



    I think the opposite. There's so much talent in this draft, I'd FAR rather take quantity. Gimme as many picks as we can get this draft, cause I don't know that there's been a better class in the last 15 years, or if we'll see another one this good for the next 15...

    - C -
    You make a interesting point, this is a extremely deep draft, we could really stock up and some spots and get younger. The problem would be the later rd guys making them team but i guess that may push some vet. backups along




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post



    I think the opposite. There's so much talent in this draft, I'd FAR rather take quantity. Gimme as many picks as we can get this draft, cause I don't know that there's been a better class in the last 15 years, or if we'll see another one this good for the next 15...
    If you are talking about gathering as many 2nd or 3rd rounders as possible, I'm all for that. Picking up a 5th rounder in exchange for moving out of the first round? I don't see it.

    I am looking at last year's class having no one after the third round stick on the roster. I see just as few spots up for grabs this year.

    If I was running the Lions or taking over a new team (thus looking to infuse the roster with "my type" of players), I would be all over that type of deal. I don't see it being in the best interest of the Ravens, however.




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Why are other teams wanting to make these trades? Why, for example, does Tampa Bay want to move up from the 2nd to the 1st?

    Second, Ozzie picks best player available, not need. Same picks with or without Mason given the same slot. Now Ozzie might want to move up or down based on the board and need, but when we go on the clock it is best player, not need.
    Thought it out and did a 2nd rd mock for the entire before i just plugged teams in. Tampa desperately needs help at DE and the could take a run at JPP with our 1st round pick.

    Carolina is a little short on picks and need to restock talent a little (WR,DE,LB,) so that deal makes since from that standpoint. I get your point though




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    QFT



    I think the opposite. There's so much talent in this draft, I'd FAR rather take quantity. Gimme as many picks as we can get this draft, cause I don't know that there's been a better class in the last 15 years, or if we'll see another one this good for the next 15...

    - C -
    I see this as a BAD first round, and a great 2nd through 5th or 6th round... Besides the pair of DT's, It's really week at the top. QB, HB and WR are particularly thin at the top, IMO.

    What is great however, is that two of the positions we as fans want most, are the deepenst mid round positions in the draft. WR and TE both have at least a dozen players that will be drafted after day 1 that I feel can make an impact on an NFL field.

    But I think it's real weak at the tippity top. I personally see 1 first round WR, and no QB's or HB's... I don't think for a second it will turn out that way however.




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Why are other teams wanting to make these trades? Why, for example, does Tampa Bay want to move up from the 2nd to the 1st?

    Second, Ozzie picks best player available, not need. Same picks with or without Mason given the same slot. Now Ozzie might want to move up or down based on the board and need, but when we go on the clock it is best player, not need.
    But you are twisting it a little bit. Positional need is a part of a players GRADE and location on the board. IF we have Mason in the fold, all WR''s will be equally downgraded on the Raven's board. When on the clock it makes little difference, but when setting up the board it certainly does.

    If Oz has Kyle Wilson ahead of Demaryus Thomas, he will take the corner whether Mason is aboard or not. But he may slide Thomas ahead before the draft if he feels we really need a playmaker on the outside. He stays true to HIS board.




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Combinations seemed okay. Dunlap/Gilyard would be a disaster. Why couple an underachieving misfit with a Percy Harvin type who is scared to go across the middle? No Thanks. Donte Stallworth is our deep threat.

    Assuming we keep our picks, I would like to see a corner taken in either the first or second round. Kyle Wilson is a good value in the first round, while Brandon Ghee and Kareem Jackson seem viable in the second round.

    Demaryius Thomas is an interesting prospect, but will most likely be taken to early in the draft - He is not a first round wide receiver. He has limited tape, and has been unavailable to research futher during the combine process. He is a physical monster, but lacks great hands and is a miserable route runner. These things can be taught at the next level, but he is a project, no doubt.

    Wide receiver should be addressed in the first two rounds, but we are not bound by it. Unless Dez Bryant falls, we should wait until round two. Thomas may still be available along with Damian Williams.

    In Ozzie we trust.




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    Re: 2010 Ravens Draft With and W/O Mason

    Quote Originally Posted by baltimore_hokie View Post
    I am looking at last year's class having no one after the third round stick on the roster. I see just as few spots up for grabs this year.
    Interesting thought that doesn't get alot of attention. In the scheme of things there is really not a lot of spots up for grabs on this team. Needs yes, but spots debatable. If we resign Mason, currently there isn't a lot of room for a mid round receiver. We already have those types of guys so I think we are looking for that 3rd receiver in the 1st or second (#1 heir apparent). Pass rusher yes, heir apparent to Heap YES. All others even corner may not be as big a need as first thought (Webb's already jogging and doing drills). I need to see how leading up to the draft plays out first, but there isn't alot of turnover on this team for open areas at the moment. Not to mention the first and second year guys already on the team that are getting ready to battle these incoming rookies. Tough sledding on both sides.




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