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    Jim Leonard



    The more I watch him play in this game the more pissed I am that we let him go. The guy is just a football player.





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    No he's not. He sucks. He's not gonna do shit on Rex's team. I can't believe anyone here would think he's worth squat...



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    All over the field making plays.

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    Re: Jim Leonard

    To be fair, we didn't "let him go". He was following Rex Ryan wherever he went. That was very public and talked about on the various radio stations. And honestly, he did have some tackling problems last year too in the open field.





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    I'm not up to watching football today, but how is Leonhard looking on special teams. That is what's important afterall.





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    Re: Jim Leonard

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenfan_11 View Post
    To be fair, we didn't "let him go". He was following Rex Ryan wherever he went. That was very public and talked about on the various radio stations. And honestly, he did have some tackling problems last year too in the open field.
    That's not 100% accurate. He didn't just leave to leave. He wanted the Ravens to bring him back as a starter. The Ravens weren't going to do that with Dwan Landry coming back from IR. So he went to the Jets.

    It wasn't an automatic thing.





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    Re: Jim Leonard

    Leonard wanted to be a starter. He wasn't here cause Landry was coming back. So he walked. Happens all the time on every team.

    On a side note did anyone else hear Phil Simms say a flag shouldn't had been thrown on Vincent Jackson for kicking the Challenge Flag? What a complete moron.





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    Re: Jim Leonard

    Looks like Leonard put on a substantial amount of weight since last year. He's been a heck of a player for the Jets.





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    I was pretty pissed that we let him go for LANDRY of all people. More glory for Ozzie if Landry succeeds than Leonhard I guess. Ozzie had a bad free agent class this year(although he had a solid draft class-as usual).





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    Ozzie had a bad free agent class this year
    You sure about that Brawla?

    Matt Birk for $3 mil per v. JB's $20 mil+ signing bonus
    Kelley Washington, NFL minimum
    David Tyree, NFL minimum
    Dannel Ellerbe, UDFA
    Cary Williams, NFL minimum
    Domonique Foxworth
    Chris Carr, 2 years, $5mil

    While Ozzie didn't make a big splash in free agency due to being hampered by the salary cap, these players for the most part brought value given their contracts.

    Foxworth showed signs of being a very good corner and then there were times when he failed. You could argue that his spotty play at times was the result of a poor pass rush while drawing the opponent's most difficult assignment.

    Moreover, Foxworth's contract is nowhere near as rich as his agent would like the world to think it is as explained here: FOXWORTH CONTRACT DETAILS

    Jim Leonard was a decent player but he's so overhyped here in this town. Nakamura and Zbikowski will eventually be better players and the team needed a slot cover guy like Carr who you have to admit had a very good second half of the season and was certainly worth the $2.5 per.





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    Re: Jim Leonard

    I've been hearing people say since last year that Leonhard was overrated and overhyped. I'm not so sure. I thought he did well for us in '08 and obviously he's playing great football in NY. Admittedly the Jets overpaid for him, but that's hardly unique in this league, particularly with the larger market, cash-rich teams. Just look at the contract of Albert Butterworth, er ...I mean Haynesworth ...down in DC.

    Understand, I don't particularly care for the Jets or for Rex Ryan's style, but they have exceeded expectations this year, their defense has been terrific, and Leonhard has been part of that ...as a starter.





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    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    I've been hearing people say since last year that Leonhard was overrated and overhyped. I'm not so sure. I thought he did well for us in '08 and obviously he's playing great football in NY. Admittedly the Jets overpaid for him, but that's hardly unique in this league, particularly with the larger market, cash-rich teams. Just look at the contract of Albert Butterworth, er ...I mean Haynesworth ...down in DC.

    Understand, I don't particularly care for the Jets or for Rex Ryan's style, but they have exceeded expectations this year, their defense has been terrific, and Leonhard has been part of that ...as a starter.
    There was no room on our roster for Leonhard, thanks to Landry coming back and us drafting 2 safeties the year prior in Nakamura and Zbikowski. Victim of a numbers game, but there's no doubt all else being equal we'd have liked him back.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Rizon View Post
    You sure about that Brawla?

    Matt Birk for $3 mil per v. JB's $20 mil+ signing bonus
    Kelley Washington, NFL minimum
    David Tyree, NFL minimum
    Dannel Ellerbe, UDFA
    Cary Williams, NFL minimum
    Domonique Foxworth
    Chris Carr, 2 years, $5mil

    While Ozzie didn't make a big splash in free agency due to being hampered by the salary cap, these players for the most part brought value given their contracts.

    Foxworth showed signs of being a very good corner and then there were times when he failed. You could argue that his spotty play at times was the result of a poor pass rush while drawing the opponent's most difficult assignment.

    Moreover, Foxworth's contract is nowhere near as rich as his agent would like the world to think it is as explained here: FOXWORTH CONTRACT DETAILS

    Jim Leonard was a decent player but he's so overhyped here in this town. Nakamura and Zbikowski will eventually be better players and the team needed a slot cover guy like Carr who you have to admit had a very good second half of the season and was certainly worth the $2.5 per.
    Yes, I'm sure. We needed a #1 corner and WR going into the season and that was never rectified. I will give Mattison and probably Ray Lewis and Ed reed for getting the secondary to be serviceable by the end of the year, though.





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    Re: Jim Leonard

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    There was no room on our roster for Leonhard, thanks to Landry coming back and us drafting 2 safeties the year prior in Nakamura and Zbikowski. Victim of a numbers game, but there's no doubt all else being equal we'd have liked him back.
    no one put a gun to our head and said we had to keep those guys over Leonhard.





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    Re: Jim Leonard

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    There was no room on our roster for Leonhard, thanks to Landry coming back and us drafting 2 safeties the year prior in Nakamura and Zbikowski. Victim of a numbers game, but there's no doubt all else being equal we'd have liked him back.

    I'm far from certain that either Zibs or a healthy Nakamura would be as good as Leonhard ...that said, I'm not criticizing either the Ravens for letting Leonhard go or the Jets for paying him $$$ to play in NY. Money likely factors into this from the Ravens standpoint, too. Just sayin' I think he's a good player, has done very well this year as a starting safety, and if he stays healthy should certainly have a fine career and be a big plus for the Jets.
    Last edited by trailhiker85; 01-18-2010 at 02:35 PM.





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    Re: Jim Leonard

    Jim Leonard, in my opinion is a better safety than Dawan Landry. He can also run back punts and kickoffs well, too. He is a guy who made some key plays in Sunday's game against the Chargers.

    He brings an energy to the game, very much like Ray Lewis, and is always around the football. I miss him and I think it was a huge mistake in not resigning him.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    There was no room on our roster for Leonhard, thanks to Landry coming back and us drafting 2 safeties the year prior in Nakamura and Zbikowski. Victim of a numbers game, but there's no doubt all else being equal we'd have liked him back.
    Sorry, R&T, but that's totally illogical.

    We had 5 safeties on the roster to start the 2008 season -- no one was planning on Landry would get hurt. There was just as much room on the 2009 roster.

    The problem was the Ozzie just blew it. It was obvious that Leonhard had earned a starting job, and that Landry, coming off a major injury, would be questionable.

    Dumb decision by the Ravens -- right up there with hiring Mattison and letting Stover go.
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    I've got to disagree with you there T...while I will agree Leonard has PROVEN himself, Landry has played decently, so I wouldn't say it's a complete whiff by Ozzie. Landry is younger and cheaper, and plays pretty decently when healthy. Half this season he was rusty, but he really came on in the 2nd half...

    And saying the decision to hire Mattison was a bad one is also illogical. Mattison had some weak moments this season, but his defense was Top 10 for a 1st year coordinator...Consider also, he lost one starting CB and the replacement for that CB in the 2nd half of the season, he was trying to get the Bart Scott replacement working in the defense, he played a portion of the season without the rush end we just signed to a 6 year deal...And yet, his defense was still Top 10. Mattison is going to be a good coordinator, time will show that. He may not be crazy with his schemes like Rex Ryan, but he's going to find the way to get our defense to work. I think he showed that in adjustments made over the course of the season.

    The Stover one I will give you. Cundiff redeemed Ozzie and Harbaugh at the end of the season a bit, but Stover showed he could still kick well and we never showed that an extra roster spot really helped us all that much.
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