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  1. #31

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?



    Boller runs about a sub 4.6. Thats not blazing speed, and not enough to really think he'd be a reciever.


    You hear people say these things about the Mike Vicks of the world because that guy once had sub 4.4 speed and would have made a great WR if he was trained to do so.


    But in both cases, they are QBs like it or not.


    Boller's biggest physical trait is armstrength. Probalbly best, or at least top 3, in the league. The throws like the one to Demetrius Williams are throws that most QBs can't make just based on distance.


    But whatever. The topic is drafting a QB. The answer is no.


    We have needs other than QB, and you dont' invest in a 3rd big QB contract.


    We might need a RT, a LB or two, nickle back? RB? FB? interior lineman? etc.


    I'm sure we'll draft a QB. On the second day.




  2. #32

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    dbcw, I wonder how good his hands are. We have only two quarterbacks on the roster, so it's a complete fantasy you would see both on the field at the same time; we're just not deep enough at that position.

    But it's an amusing fantasy. Kyle would do it in a heartbeat, I'm sure. I would guess he'd *love* to line up at WR, or in the slot a few times. Hilarious.
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  3. #33

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Typical, Tex, Typical. You related to WSO?




  4. #34

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    I believe Kyle Boller will be gone after the 2007 season at the latest. We need another QB to develope behind Mac. I'd prefer the Ravens not drafting one in the first round.




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    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    I disagree. Tom Brady is an absolute freak and an exception. While it's true there are many first round busts at qb, of the successful young qb's around the league, they are virtually all round one & two guys. Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees. While round 1 may not be a 1:1 indicator of success, it does give *much* higher probability then round 4.

    Plus as Jonboy points out, it's not like we don't draft qb's in the later rounds. We do, as I think virtually all teams do. It's just, Tom Brady was there only once.

    :2c:
    If Tony Romo can prove to be as good as he was last season that would be two very good QBs to come out of the late rounds. I am sure the success rate is much higher in the early rounds as composed to the later rounds, but teams usually have multiple picks in the 4th through 6th rounds to use (waste) each year for a QB project. If the team dies it every year maybe on the 4th, 5th, or 10th try they find that once in a generation QB. My point is that our talent evaluateor appear to be very good at picking late round gems, and although there are way fewer late round gems at QB that safety I still think we have a reasonable shot at finding something there.

    As jonboy said:
    You could say since Boller, that is what they have been attempting. Pick Harris, nah he's no good, let him go, pick DA, let him go, Olsen.... Maybe we will find one good enoug to keep and develop.
    In response to that I say "great keep trying and maybe we will find a Brady/Romo." Hell Romo wasn't even drafted and he appears to be a very good QB. My point is that if the team drafts a QB in the first round he has a very slim chance of living up to expectations and then the fans will 'hate' him for not living up to expectations. If a 4th rounder doesn't live up to expectations fans don't seem to care.

    For every Manning there is a Leaf.

    For every Donovan McNabb there is a Cade McNoun and Tim Couch.

    I saw one of the draft shows last year track the success rate of 1st round QBs and it was about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 will become a viable long term starter. Those odds suck for a 1st round pick, there has to be a better way.

    At least when Dre Olson doesnt pan out we don't have fans cheering when he breaks his leg.


    That's something I've noticed between Haters and "Huggers". I'm not saying you're one or the other, just that your quote brings up the point.
    I guess if you had to pidgeon-hole me I would be a hugger. But, I really considered myself a wait and see person who thought it would take time to develop.
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  6. #36

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Unless you have a Carson Palmer type who ran a pro-type system in college, nfl QBs are going to need a few years to learn the pro game.


    When you look at a Brady or a Romo, they rode the pine. They learned the game . . . Boller didn't have that advantage.


    Even Palmer rode the pine a year behind Kitna before taking the reigns.


    Boller had to learn on the job, because we didn't have another QB that was worth a squat. maybe he could have sat behind Jeff Blake if things had gone differently.


    I bet fans would like Boller better if he had come in for relief of a shitty Jeff Blake.


    Overall, Boller's stats over the last 10 games are monsterous. Overall, 100+ rating with 16 TDs to only a handfull of INTs.


    The development is there; if you think drafting a QB is the solution, you're kiding youself. The kid we draft will need a few years, just like Boller, just like every other QB, to learn the pro game.


    McNair won't be here longer than a year. I dont know if he makes it through '07 healthy w/o Pashos. So even if you drafted a future QB, you're going to need Boller for this new QB to sit behind.


    That, or, you can throw the new QB you draft to the wolves like we did to Boller and stunt/slow his development also.


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  7. #37

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by hurting View Post
    In response to that I say "great keep trying and maybe we will find a Brady/Romo."
    I guess if you had to pidgeon-hole me I would be a hugger. But, I really considered myself a wait and see person who thought it would take time to develop.
    Very similar thought process. I think that virtually every single year a team should draft a second day QB, pretty much regardless of the QB's on the roster.

    I would pretty much be called a hugger as well, so here is the type of scenario in which I might not draft a QB for a couple of years.
    This year in the draft, we pick up say anyone from the Drew Stanton, John Beck, Trent Edwards, Kevin Kolb type of mid-level prosepect. Next he lights is up in preseason, learns the ropes well, gets along, fits in...
    Next McNair goes down week 6, down for the season. Boller comes in and leads us to a playoff victory. Maybe not leads us, but manages the game and minimizes mistakes, and makes a play when need be. He signs a reasonable extenstion before the season is done.

    Now we go into the next year with an over the hill perfect, thoguh expensive back-up, that rookie that never panned-out, sat behind a true All-Pro and might finally get it, and that young guy that really could be THE GUY. That's not a situation in which you draft a guy, Mac falls off the roster next year, and you go back to yanking 2nd day prospects every year. Any year in whihc you have 2 or fewer solid pro-level guys on the roster, you draft another one.




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    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    back to the topic...the team's philosophy has always been drafting the best jock available, so I have to thinking picking a qb on day 1 is very possible, depending on what the other teams do (those darn other teams, they keep messing up Ozzie's draft...).
    George Allen's philosphy was, start the best qb you can get your hands on/ have a #2 with experience / ready to go in, and have a #3 you can develop. No, Coach Allen never won a SB, but he won a ton of other games. Jurgensen, Kilmer and Theisemann may have been the best 3-deep qbs in history.
    I have to think, if the RBT (Ravens Brain Trust) finds a good qb available, they'll take him.




  9. #39

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    I want the Ravens to draft the kid from Boise State --Zabransky. He has looked great in the college games I saw the last two years. I don't care if he's any good, I just want to be able to shout "Put Zabransky in" . Best football name since Johnny U.




  10. #40

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Don't you all know starting a qb thread is just going to attract unpleasant posts(Tex) and hate speak(Tex) and Boller Bashing(Tex)?




  11. #41

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by sailorsam View Post
    back to the topic...the team's philosophy has always been drafting the best jock available, so I have to thinking picking a qb on day 1 is very possible, depending on what the other teams do (those darn other teams, they keep messing up Ozzie's draft...).
    George Allen's philosphy was, start the best qb you can get your hands on/ have a #2 with experience / ready to go in, and have a #3 you can develop. No, Coach Allen never won a SB, but he won a ton of other games. Jurgensen, Kilmer and Theisemann may have been the best 3-deep qbs in history.
    I have to think, if the RBT (Ravens Brain Trust) finds a good qb available, they'll take him.
    You're kidding right? The best 3-deep qb's? Billy Killedmorepasses than "alligatorhands"? Theeesman,Jurgenson. Nary a firststringer in the lot!




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    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    um, they were all first-stringers at one time or t'other. Jurgy won a ton of games and Joe T won a Super Bowl. Some Cowboy fans get puckered when they're mentioned, but most futbol fans (and media types) I know respect them.




  13. #43

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    Little known fact. Tex has been around since the birth of the big JC himself. He witnessed it with his own eyes, therefore it's true..... He was there for the birth of Lao Tzu, Julius Caeser, Louis the 14th, everyone important.

    Just thought you all should know.




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    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Maybe you should do a little research if you weren't around personally to observe players you make totally erroneous comments about on a talk forum! (Just a suggestion).
    LOL, this coming from the guy who gave us the "Leaning Eifel Tower" remark?

    Please.

    By the way, Kilmore couldn't throw a ball through a wet paper bag. Deep threat?




  15. #45

    Re: Any possibility of drafting a QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    LOL, this coming from the guy who gave us the "Leaning Eifel Tower" remark?
    That will always be a classic.




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