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    Re: Should Troy start?



    Quote Originally Posted by Dragz View Post
    lol Tell me how you REALLY feel!
    What did you expect when you started a thread about bringing in a backup QB to start over our franchise QB. Please never do this again!
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    Re: Should Troy start?

    Quote Originally Posted by octscotts View Post
    I think the secret to this game is really no secret. We've got to control the line of scrimmage and the time of possession. The longer Peyton is on the bench, the less time he has to do damage. When he does have the ball, secondary has got to be on Clark and Wayne.
    Exactly right -- which is why -- perhaps, the Flacco injury isn't as big a problem as it could be.

    Really, we don't want to get in a shootout with them. We want long drives with lots of runs, mixed with occasional safe passes to pick up a 2nd and 6 or 3rd and 5, etc. We don't really benefit as much as we might think from hitting a 60 yard TD pass because that just puts Indy right back on the field and lets their O get in a rhythm.

    That said, there was a game this yr (Miami I think) where Indy had the ball like 16 minutes all game and WON. So TOP is critical, but amazingly, doesn't guarantee anything. But the Ravens D is a lot better than Miami's, so if we can control the clock, we win. Joe just needs to hit passes like that quickie to Mason to convert the 3rd down, and the one to DWil that shoulda been caught, and the Ravens should have the running game to do the rest.




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    Re: Should Troy start?

    I would gauge it at halftime and make a decision. Troy Smith is pretty bad and has not taken enough snaps in game to really be ready.




  4. #19

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    I like Troy a lot , but Joe is the man.................If Joe had some targets to throw to we would be serious Super Bowl contenders , as of now we are still pretenders ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a few quality personel decisions by Ozzie would go a long way to helping Joe become the premier q-back we need ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




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    Re: Should Troy start?

    Worst. Thread. Ever.




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    Re: Should Troy start?

    Quote Originally Posted by spy007 View Post
    I like Troy a lot , but Joe is the man.................If Joe had some targets to throw to we would be serious Super Bowl contenders , as of now we are still pretenders ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a few quality personel decisions by Ozzie would go a long way to helping Joe become the premier q-back we need ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    We get it, you don't like Ozzie.

    Quote Originally Posted by 00Ravens View Post
    Worst. Thread. Ever.
    Pretty much.

    That said, a package where we spread their "D" out and bring him in to run for a 1st-down on 3rd and short I'd be OK with...




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    Re: Should Troy start?

    Not even close to the worse thread that's ever graced this board.

    And the answer is NO. Troy shouldn't start.

    But I'll be damned if he shouldn't be in the bullpen warming up against Indy.

    Flacco is gonna have his hands full with Freeney and Mathis and if his performance mirrors the dreck of the past 6 weeks and he's getting hammered, a change of pace may be needed at some point during the game to give us a chance to make it to the AFCC.

    Let's hope this doesn't happen, however and Joe gets back on track.




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    Re: Should Troy start?

    I really hope this thread is some sort of joke.




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    Re: Should Troy start?

    The short answer is no....Joe is the starter...period. But I expect to see some wildcat formations with Troy in there because he can be more mobile in the pocket.
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    Re: Should Troy start?

    I'll defend the thread...Joe's injury is pretty worrisome. His warmups alone were just cringe-worthy. I wasn't sure if he'd be able to play against NE the way it was looking...He made it through the game, but consider...Everyone on the Colts knows now that Flacco has a bruise on his hip and without taking a hit, it's causing him issues...

    So now imagine the pass rush does get past our OL on a pass play next week. That hip is within the strike zone. It's possible that maybe the Colts defenders try gunning for that hip, trying to make Flacco so uncomfortable we'll have no choice but bring him out.

    And even if that's not the case, if the injury is affecting his performance enough that he has trouble making throws or standing in the pocket and taking the heat, then yes, I think we'd need to consider playing Troy...

    Now, ALL OF THAT SAID...No, we shouldn't be benching Flacco right now. The playcalling of the NE game aside, it didn't appear to me that Flacco's injury was causing problems on his passes. He completed 4, make that 5 if DWil catches his pass. 1 is the tipped INT....And I don't think his passes were warbling or he was cringing and on a knee after every pass. Plus, that scramble for a 1st down...he might not have looked like Troy or Vick, but he certainly didn't stumble his way on that run. I think the injury is going to keep affecting him until the season is over, but unless it gets worse in practices or during a game, I haven't seen enough to convince me that he's playing worse than Troy would.
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    Troy should come in if/when Joe goes down. Troy's job is to backup Joe. Joe got us here and he deserves the right to continue. Last I checked Joe has more playoff wins then Troy.
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    Flacco has been injured pretty much all season and he has still put up better numbers than last year. Next week will be in a dome, so he won't have the cold making the injury worse.

    I would rather have Flacco in a wheel chair than a healthy Smith (he would also still be taller). Smith isn't an NFL QB.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Now, ALL OF THAT SAID...No, we shouldn't be benching Flacco right now. The playcalling of the NE game aside, it didn't appear to me that Flacco's injury was causing problems on his passes. He completed 4, make that 5 if DWil catches his pass. 1 is the tipped INT....And I don't think his passes were warbling or he was cringing and on a knee after every pass. Plus, that scramble for a 1st down...he might not have looked like Troy or Vick, but he certainly didn't stumble his way on that run. I think the injury is going to keep affecting him until the season is over, but unless it gets worse in practices or during a game, I haven't seen enough to convince me that he's playing worse than Troy would.
    I couldn't disagree more. Flacco's tipped pass for an INT was tipped because it was a floater that took forever to get to Heap's area. His passing was off because he's obviously hurt. And all the "what if" talk about the missed catch to DWill is just excuses. Joe threw another pass that hit a NE defender right in the hands. "If" he catches that pass, then Joe has 2 INTs on the day. "If" Mark Clayton doesn't make an incredible effort to bring in a ball that was clearly sailed a foot and a half above his head, then what?

    You also failed to mention that the one time Joe was really under pressure, instead of throwing the ball away, he panicked and dumped it off to a clearly covered receiver for a 4 yd loss.

    His numbers were so poor because there definitely was something wrong. Denying that is silly at best.




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    Re: Should Troy start?

    Quote Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52 View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. Flacco's tipped pass for an INT was tipped because it was a floater that took forever to get to Heap's area. His passing was off because he's obviously hurt. And all the "what if" talk about the missed catch to DWill is just excuses. Joe threw another pass that hit a NE defender right in the hands. "If" he catches that pass, then Joe has 2 INTs on the day. "If" Mark Clayton doesn't make an incredible effort to bring in a ball that was clearly sailed a foot and a half above his head, then what?

    You also failed to mention that the one time Joe was really under pressure, instead of throwing the ball away, he panicked and dumped it off to a clearly covered receiver for a 4 yd loss.

    His numbers were so poor because there definitely was something wrong. Denying that is silly at best.
    The interception on the ball thrown to Heap was because Joe was baited by the cornerback and mistakenly threw into a double coverage not because it was a bad throw...in fact I would argue that the throw was right where it needed to be if the cornerback stayed true to his initial move. Unless Joe's brain is in his hip, that bruise had little to do with that play.

    The Ravens were fortunate that they were able to go up by 24 before the end of the 1st qtr and that New England's d-line was pushed all over the place. Who knows what would have happened in the game if it was closer but to blame the passing numbers completely on Joe is not paying attention to what that particular game demanded.

    And no Troy should not start. The way this season is going I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe come out and throw for 300+ and 3 tds. I wouldn't bet on that but I wouldn't be shocked.








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    Re: Should Troy start?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    The interception on the ball thrown to Heap was because Joe was baited by the cornerback and mistakenly threw into a double coverage not because it was a bad throw...in fact I would argue that the throw was right where it needed to be if the cornerback stayed true to his initial move. Unless Joe's brain is in his hip, that bruise had little to do with that play.
    Yep -- I remember Simms explaining that on the replay -- Flacco didn't wait for the corner to "clear" (ie. - stay with his man on the deep route), allowing the corner to break off his coverage and come back to the underneath route. Heap was supposed to be 1-on-1 with the DE (*correction: LB. I assumed #95 was a DE based on his #) who ended up catching the INT off the tip. In theory a great matchup, but for whatever reason, the WR didn't get his man out of the area fast enough, or Flacco didn't wait long enough, but Flacco definitely made a mistake in not making sure the CB was gone and committed to the deep route.

    It was a weird looking play, really. It's possible Heap ran it a little too deep, or that the deep WR didn't get off the blocks quickly. That same play the Ravens killed Dallas with in the game in '08. In that instance, there was clear field in front of Heap. For some reason on Sunday, the WR and his man were too close to the intended throwing point from the get-go, but like I said, if the play's FUBAR or not, Flacco still has to see what's going on and eat that one or throw it away.

    Whether he rushed it b/c of being hurt and not wanting to get hit, I have no idea. All I know is it didn't look as clean as it should have the way it's supposed to look when you draw it up. Good play by the CB to keep coverage while peeking in the backfield and reading the play, bad decision by Flacco.




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