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  1. #16

    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade



    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    I actually wouldn't mind taking a shot at Nnamdi Asomugha. The Raiders are responsible for the guaranteed money and wouldn't count against our cap, so even though he's getting paid mucho bucks, he actually wouldn't cost us nearly in cap or dollars what his contract is valued at. Seriously, his salary over the next three years in total is something like $8 mil. For the best cover corner in the game?
    Actually, it's a lot more than that, because of an option that would force the team to raise his 2011 salary to $16.8M or the franchise amount for QBs, whichever is higher.

    They'd also have to create some cap space now to accomodate his present salary of $4.5M. They'd be responsible for 11/16ths of that, but they only have less than $2M in Cap space right now, so they'd have to do some manuevering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Actually, it's a lot more than that, because of an option that would force the team to raise his 2011 salary to $16.8M or the franchise amount for QBs, whichever is higher.

    They'd also have to create some cap space now to accomodate his present salary of $4.5M. They'd be responsible for 11/16ths of that, but they only have less than $2M in Cap space right now, so they'd have to do some manuevering.
    I believe he has a huge roster bonus due before next year as well, can't find where I read that though it was on some message board.




  3. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    Nnamdi is worth a 1st and D Williams IMO...maybe even a 1st and 2nd (seperate years).
    Agreed. Nnamdi is arguably the best shut down corner in the league. The only reason more people don't know about him is because most QBs avoid throwing the ball anywhere near him. I was hoping he hit FA this past off-season and we go after him, but Oakland finally paid the man. If this story does have any merit, it would cost multiple picks. At least a 1st and 3rd. Then again, Al Davis is senile. Maybe a bag of magic beans will do.
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    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade

    A true fire sale is highly unlikely because the Raiders would have to accelerate signing bonuses and their cap structure won't allow it. If 2010 is an uncapped year, THEN you might see that fire sale...




  5. #20

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    We need a pass rush way more than a CB. We can sign the leagues 3 best CB's but when we fail to pressure the QB and there are big plays being made weekly it will be called a failed trade/move. If we replace Carr with Webb and actually pressure the QB the defense immidiately looks better. No more woe is us talk about the failing D. But if were talking getting N. A. from oakland, id give up M. C., D.W. and a 2nd. D.T. replaces D.W. and K.W. replaces M.C.
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    We should do whatever it takes to get Nnamdi. With him covering the number 1, Fox at 2 and Fabian at nickel we will be solid. We would be able to blitz more and create the pass rush needed since we could feel comfortable with our corners. I have wanted him for awhile and that would make my season!
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  7. #22

    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade

    The trade deadline is in a week which is during our bye week. I expect the Ravens to be a player but how big a player is unknown. I would hope to see a CB.

    Oakland will probably want draft picks for NA as they wont be winning for at least 3 years so if we send them players who are 25/26 it wont be in their best interest.




  8. #23

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    They would turn down 2 #1s for #21. Al may be a little crazy but he has not gone stupid yet.

    Seymore could make sense, but since they gave up a 2011 #1 for him, I would think it would take at least a 2010 #2 to get him.

    I would offer a 4th round pick for Javon Walker (pending passing a Physical of course), or take DHB off thier hands for a 1st and see if he can develop some hands eventually.







  9. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by myfavoriteboxer View Post
    JaMarcus should be touchable, if the team had any sense. I wouldn't trade him for Chris Carr. He's probably off the block because nobody wants him.
    He's off the block because the cap hit would make him untradable and they're basically all in with him. This should also be why Nnamdi is untouchable. I thought I'd read it the wrong way, it doesn't surprise me to find he's one of the untouchables.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    Nnamdi is worth a 1st and D Williams IMO...maybe even a 1st and 2nd (seperate years).
    LOL @ DWill having any value what-so-ever. Nnamdi isn't "maybe" worth a 1st and 2nd...only giving up a 1st and 2nd for him would be pretty cheap. He's the best cover corner in the game by a country mile, and he's right in his prime.

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Actually, it's a lot more than that, because of an option that would force the team to raise his 2011 salary to $16.8M or the franchise amount for QBs, whichever is higher.
    I dunno how the salary bump works. Is it a true salary bump, or paid as a bonus? If it's a salary bump, then I guess it hits us. In that case, we shouldn't bother with him.

    Richard Seymour has to be at least worth looking at. The problem is, they probably won't take less than a 1st for him to save face, and there's no way the guy's worth a first given that he's a couple-month rental.

    I feel so sorry for Seymour. I heard or read something the other day that someone asked him "How's Oakland" and he responded "Well, the weather's nice." Pretty much no question he's hitting the free agent market this off-season...I don't think he'd re-sign with that team if they offered him double his market value.

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    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    I dunno how the salary bump works. Is it a true salary bump, or paid as a bonus? If it's a salary bump, then I guess it hits us. In that case, we shouldn't bother with him.
    From everything I've seen, it appears there is an option that extends the deal beyond 2011, but at greatly escalated salaries.

    I guess they could trade for him and not exercise that option, thereby having him under contract for the rest of 2009 through 2010. They could then at some point try and work out a more reasonable deal, but that's taking a pretty huge risk, given what they would like have to trade to get him.

    That said, reports now seem to indicate that Asomugha is one of he untouchable players - and rightly so - so Oakland has no intention of dealing him and they perhaps can't anyway based on the cap hit they would likely realize from the bonus he just got.
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    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Actually, it's a lot more than that, because of an option that would force the team to raise his 2011 salary to $16.8M or the franchise amount for QBs, whichever is higher.

    They'd also have to create some cap space now to accomodate his present salary of $4.5M. They'd be responsible for 11/16ths of that, but they only have less than $2M in Cap space right now, so they'd have to do some manuevering.
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  12. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by myfavoriteboxer View Post
    The Redskins did a fire sale type move when they got a replaceable running back in exchange for their franchise shutdown corner. That was robbery-esque.

    This surely must be a tease. No way they'd trade Asomugha, right?
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    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    A true fire sale is highly unlikely because the Raiders would have to accelerate signing bonuses and their cap structure won't allow it. If 2010 is an uncapped year, THEN you might see that fire sale...
    Since we are post June 1st wouldn't any acceleration go into next year anyway?




  14. #29

    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Frank Walker, Chris Carr, maybe both.
    Since they are both vested veterans, they still get paid if they are released and the team still has to account for them on the Cap.

    So, if it was even possible to get Asomugha, they'd have to restructure a couple of contracts to get it done.
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  15. #30

    Re: Raiders making almost every player available for trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Since we are post June 1st wouldn't any acceleration go into next year anyway?
    Since this is the "last capped year", there is no post-June 1 deferral. The full amount of acceleration hits this year. This is one of those built in CBA rule changes that were specifically aimed at preventing teams to take too much advantage of the next year being uncapped.

    Otherwise (think the Ravens with McGahee), teams would have released a lot of players after June, thereby pushing the bulk of that acceleration into next year, when it (likely) wouldn't matter anyway.
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