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08-26-2009, 10:43 PM #1
No other way to describe this but simply brilliant. I think it is even simple enough for you guys to follow. So tell me connies, what scares you about this? What quivers your mygy here? What stands behind the dark shadows? Enlighten me.
Last edited by Galen Sevinne; 08-26-2009 at 11:08 PM.
08-27-2009, 12:59 AM #2
We've been over this Galen... logical appeals to reason based cause brain tumors.“I already believe I am the best linebacker in the game. Now, I have to show one more thing ? That I am the most dominating, influential person in the game and the best football player to ever put on a pair of cleats.” -Ray Lewis
08-27-2009, 09:33 AM #3
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08-27-2009, 12:51 PM #5
... unconstitutional? Who says? They bled people to cure them when the constitution was written.... That didn't cost as much as a hospital stay... oh, yeah, there weren't hospitals then... What a ridiculous response!
I guess they really aren't smart enough to debate the subject, Galen!
08-27-2009, 01:10 PM #6
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08-27-2009, 01:25 PM #8
That line is tired, belabored and just inapplicable, Please stop! It shows a lack of ability to have a reasonable, logical thought! I could go on, but I would just incite your anger further, and I don't want to do that!
08-27-2009, 01:26 PM #9
08-27-2009, 01:31 PM #10
I actually took the time to google - "healthcare reform" unconstitutional - to see what winger was starting this angle. Michelle Bachman seems to be taking the charge on this one. Enough said there...but I will go on since I have some time. (HR insert AdHominum attack here)
Its unconstitutional because Bachman says, "it’s not within the enumerated powers of the Constitution, for us to design and create a national takeover of health care"
But, "There is nothing in any of the health care bills under consideration which resembles a “national takeover of health care.” Conservatives like to use this language when referring to the public health option. Like other insurers, the public option would collect premiums from people who choose to buy into it, and then spend those premiums to insure these participants"
Had Bachmann bothered to read Article I of the Constitution before going on Fox, she would have learned that Congress has the power to “lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises” and to “provide for….the general welfare of the United States.”
and, "It’s important to note just how radical Bachmann’s theory of the Constitution is. If Congress does not have the power to create a modest public option which competes with private health plans in the marketplace, then it certainly does not have the authority to create Medicare. Similarly, Congress’ power to spend money to benefit the general welfare is the basis for Social Security, federal education funding, Medicaid, and veterans benefits such as the VA health system and the GI Bill. All of these programs would cease to exist in Michele Bachmann’s America
So what we have is the libertarian circle jerk here suggesting that Govt. really can't do anything. As pointed out in my other thread, it is hard to get through a couple hours a day without utilizing something that the government has touched.
Spend some time in a developing nation where the electricity goes off every other day, tap water is contaminated by Giardia, food is poisioned with salmonella and hepatitas, roads are dirt with the frequent landslides blocking you and when your house catches on fire, you better hope you have a couple dozen buckets, a couple dozen friends, and pond with a couple dozen yards.....then get back to me with your libertarian wet dream.
08-27-2009, 01:35 PM #11
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08-27-2009, 03:43 PM #14
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Is this really the best you've got Galen? I'm glad they brought up fire fighting as its a specialty of mine.
As a Professional Firefighter I can tell you that your LOCAL governments provide you (from taxes, not "free") with Police* , Fire, and Water services, not the Federal government. That's why I laughed at that cartoon you posted Galen.
The Fed will set Standards for the FD and public area's via NFPA (Federal and tax funded, not "Free"). Despite the video's best efforts in trying to say that Fire Service is "Free", it is completely and utterly wrong and incorrect. Your local taxes pay for whatever fire services are available (Paid and volunteer), and in some cases like Howard County, you're charged a "Rural Fire Tax" for being outside of City water. Its a tax, therefore you pay for it whether you use it or not. Also, local Volunteer firehouses are supplemented with fund-raisers and in most cases, provided with Local tax dollars to purchase equipment. Local governments, like Balto Co, will pay (tax funded, not "free") Volunteer stations that have a medic to be "Attended", which means they keep a crew available. Occasionally, the Fed provides grants (tax funded, not "free") via Homeland Security and/or FEMA.
Which brings me to my next point: Why aren't citizens forced to carry health insurance much like people are required to carry car insurance if they drive? I cannot leave my house and drive a vehicle and not carry insurance yet its a law and I'm required to carry it. How come those big, bad car insurance companies like GEICO (Buffett) and State Farm, etc., all make money for their shareholders yet Private insurers are vilified because they make money? Have you ever thought that everyone who pays into a certain Health plan doesn't have a catastrophic injury/illness that requires big $$$$ to fix and that those "pools" aren't drained?
That same argument goes for car insurance, which is why a 20yo kid would have to pay big $$$$ to drive around in a "Sports car" because the likelihood of him/her having an accident and injuring himself and/or others is high (We'll call it "preexisting condition", since its based on averages/history) versus a 50yo female w/a clean driving record driving around in a Honda Civic. Its all based on averages on what could happen, which is why most car insurance providers, much like health care insurers, make a profit.
Where is the outrage?
*- and the State too, depending on where you live.
08-27-2009, 04:07 PM #15