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  1. #76

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends



    Well...now check this out!

    I actually went to the Ravens website and found this

    Is it as thorough? No.
    Same conceptual idea? Yup.

    I'm laughing. Not gonna lie.




  2. #77

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    updated 4/1. No jokes, promise!




  3. #78

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Ahhhhh uninformed mockers beware. I hate the Staley pick. We don't need a LT, why does every mock seem to think he is who we are replacing. We replaced him 2 years ago, in advance with Adam Terry. For some reason, we didn't plan for RT after Orlando Brown. Pashos was not expected to be as good as he was, but now he is gone. THAT is who we are replacing. Blalock is a much better first choice, IMO as he replaces Vincent, who has struggled and will aid Pashos' replacement in providing a solid right side. Pashos replacement can be found later in the weekend. I think in the first round you pick the player that you feel will help the team the most, of who is available over the course of the next DECADE. In Blalock, I see a perrennial all-pro RT Guard that could be that mauling Run blocker that allows the Ravens to consistently run the ball, year in and year out. And who knows, maybe he can play RT??




  4. #79

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    I see what you're talking about ....but

    What if Terry plays well on the right side? If that's the case, you can bring in a left tackle.

    A first round interior lineman outside of Kalil doesn't make sense to me, and Kalil only because then Chester gets shifted over to RG instead of playing C.

    Either way, the mocks are fun to laugh at, we like to think we have a clue...but we don't. Eg. Donte Whitner "20s" and turns out 3-4 teams had him in the top 13.

    I thought it was pretty cool the consensus #1 selection finally changed for the first time. It makes tracking this more interesting.




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    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Is Rouse a new one this week? What egit 'draftnik' suggested that?




  6. #81

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    http://www.northwestscouting.com/whats_new_2.html

    I just noticed that, I was a bit hungover this morning. Rouse is the round 2 pick.

    Past history is:
    Jan 1-21: Michael Bush
    Jan 22-28: Levi Brown
    Jan 29-Feb4: Levi Brown
    Feb5-Feb11: Justin Blalock
    Feb12-Feb18: Justin Blalock
    Feb19-Feb25: Justin Blalock
    Feb26-Mar4: Tank Tyler
    Mar5-Mar11: Justin Blalock
    Mar12-mar19: Justin Blalock
    Mar20-Mar25: Justin Blalock
    Mar26-Apr1: Justin Blalock

    Let me know if you think it's awful and I can remove it outside of my error.

    I am updating the front page now.




  7. #82

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    What if Terry plays well on the right side? If that's the case, you can bring in a left tackle..
    You could, but then I promise that if you want to keep Terry, you will be paying him as the Highest paid RT ever until he left. He will paid as a LT here or elsewhere. Since I believe he is already at least an average LT, it might as well be here playing the position that I feel he can be an ProBowler at, rather then one he plays well at. So we can pay him top dollar to be an animal on the Left(though a step from Ogden of course), or you can pay him top dollar to play well, at a less important position. It's how I see it, right or wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    A first round interior lineman outside of Kalil doesn't make sense to me, and Kalil only because then Chester gets shifted over to RG instead of playing C..
    I couldn't disagree more. If there is one player I feel is even less of a fit on this team then Staley it's Kalil. It's not a know to either of them, I just DO NOT WANT them on the Raven's. I don't think they fit at all. Kalil would mean we have three undersized, weak POA young Centers, plus Flynn. Kalil is a weaker, smaller, more experienced Chester... Only Chester started a couple of NFL games, and didn't embarrass himself. To me, he did show however that RG will nto be his best position. He simply did not get enough push. Brown was underwhelming as well. Both Guys were excellent pass blockers, and did surroung Flynn, the human turnstyle. I believe they will improve at the POA, but neither is likely to ever put in a Larry Allen in his prime like performance in the Run Game. Blalock, I believe can, and that is precisely what this team is missing, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    Eg. Donte Whitner "20s" and turns out 3-4 teams had him in the top 13.

    I thought it was pretty cool the consensus #1 selection finally changed for the first time. It makes tracking this more interesting.
    Believe it or not, by the time the draft came, I was happy with the thoguht that the Ravens would be left with Whitner at 13. I had visions of Ernie Sims and Ngata being gone, leaving Whitner as Need adjsuted BPA.

    my top 13 was along the lines of:
    Bush
    Cutler
    Leinart
    Williams
    Huff
    Ngata
    Young
    Brick
    Hawk
    Sims
    Whitner
    Winston Justice
    Vernon Davis


    I agree that dynamic dissention among Mocks is precisely what makes them interesting. It is what makes them discussion worthy. I find it very intersting to see draft boards change in the offseason. I am certain that a teams board changes far less then Mocks do.




  8. #83

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Oh, yeah, team boards probably don't change much at all. They're spending time disseminating information while fans are sitting around and trying to sort through disinformation and media hype without meat and potatoes film or numbers.

    I see the point about run blocking and being physically imposing on the line.

    Boil it down and it basically amounts to me being afraid of a 1 dimensional players. If there were a one-dimensional line, I'd want it to be a pass-protecting line. You can always run short outs, screens, and delayed draws. But you'll have trouble running unless the Browns don't learn how to tackle.

    Difference of opinion, but your points do make sense. It's just a matter of approach. Draft day will tell a lot about the future...
    Last edited by ExiledRaven; 04-02-2007 at 08:58 AM.




  9. #84

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    .

    Boil it down and it basically amounts to me being afraid of a 1 dimensional players. If there were a one-dimensional line, I'd want it to be a pass-protecting line. You can always run short outs, screens, and delayed draws. But you'll have trouble running unless the Browns don't learn how to tackle.
    ...

    True... I don'tt hink that Blalock is one dimensional, btu he is CERTAINLY better in the run game then the pass. The other thing I'd say, is if OLINE players are rone dimmensional, it better be run right and pass left. A line of Terry-Brown-Chester-Blalock-Ugoh would certainly follow that philosophy. Terry and Brown thus far have been weak in the run game,and Blalock and Ugoh are expected to be weaker in pass -pro and Maulers. At least Stevie Mac can see the rush develop on that side. I certainly am not looking to get back to the '03 style line where they move anything in front of them, btu let stuff slip through the cracks like it's their job.
    If we had Peyton or Carson I would be all over Kalil and Staley. We could have a truly elite PassPro line then. Mac can't throw the deep out, can't rifle one in the seem to Heap before the safety comes over. Well, he either can't throw it, or is afreid to. Because we can't fully attack a D though the air, we need to establish a consistent and strong run game. Last year that was not the case.




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    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Going on round 2 and just using this for general draft chat:

    - Rick Neuheisel attended Trent Edwards' pro day at Stanford and reportedly came away very impressed.

    Edwards I like as a project QB to sit behind McNair if we're giving up on Boller. I wouldn't expressedly 'want' to get him, but I'd not be fussed if we did pick him up.




  11. #86

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKRavenStockers View Post
    Going on round 2 and just using this for general draft chat:

    - Rick Neuheisel attended Trent Edwards' pro day at Stanford and reportedly came away very impressed.

    Edwards I like as a project QB to sit behind McNair if we're giving up on Boller. I wouldn't expressedly 'want' to get him, but I'd not be fussed if we did pick him up.
    I agree with your thoughts on thsi matter. I'd put him around the same area as Kolb, behind Stanton, and Beck. If Stanton drops in the 2nd that is our Best chance to get a real Franchise QB, but I think we have bigger needs then QB in the second rd. Unfortunately I doubt Stanton makes it to the 4th, so I hope we get Beck, or Edwards I guess.




  12. #87

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Yes, I wouldn't be averse to Kolb, Edwards, or Beck in the 4th if that ends up happening.

    We'll see. I'm very interested to see what happens of this friendly debate over o-lineman type (ie blalock-beekman type compared to grubbs-kalil-staley).

    Time will tell. Be nice to get some DT/DE depth in later rounds as well.




  13. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    We'll see. I'm very interested to see what happens of this friendly debate over o-lineman type (ie blalock-beekman type compared to grubbs-kalil-staley)..
    I agree, as long as Oline is addressed I will be happy. Despite my ramblings, if we drafted Kalil and Staly, cringe, I would be happy, as at least it were addressed heavily early, and we would have a CLEAR picture of the team going forward. Grubbs, I think Fits right in the middle, as does Ugoh. Coincidentally I liek them both.


    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    Time will tell. Be nice to get some DT/DE depth in later rounds as well.
    I agree, btu it's not something thought of often enough. I think a FUll Size DE on day one would not be a bad idea. If we don't see an extension for Suggs before camp, I don't expect to see him next year. It may not be the worst thing in the world, as he will fetch $10m per year with more then $20m up front. He is young, jsut entering his prime, but DAMN, that's a LOT of money. I, personally would pay it, but I'm not sure Ozzie will.




  14. #89

    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    Suggs is important, but I was thinking about a 3-4 DE that might be able to play 4-3 DT or DE....ie, someone like Pryce.

    and yes, Grubb and Ugoh are in the middle. Ugoh is a big stretch at 29, Grubbs may be as well, but he's more worthy than Beekman, Sears, etc by far.

    I may be the only one in the athletic motion focused offensive line club. That's ok though.




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    Re: 2007 Mock Draft Trends

    I've been saying DT/DE on day one since the start and specifically remember saying a month or two back that Baraka Atkins was my main target in the draft to get in round 2. Tremendous talent and was always the man I saw doubled on Miami's line.

    Any-one of Atkins, Ray McDonald (Florida) or IkaIka Aliama Francis would be ideal IMO. But it all depends upon what defensive front we're going to, 3-4 or 4-3. Not sure we've got the guys in reserve to stick with the versatility for much longer so I think we need to take the top talent now to set our stall out for what front we're sticking with.




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