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    Re: The Steelers new Coach is..(drumroll please)



    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    Who cares? I am already getting sick of this "black coach" talk leading up to the Super Bowl, and now with this Tomlin stuff. Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy are both great coaches, but all you hear about is how they are BLACK coaches. This just further brings attention to the fact that they are "different". What happened to MLK's hope to judge a man by his actions rather than the color of his skin?

    Oh, and Crennel is a pretty lousy coach who might not be in the AFC North for very long.
    Why is it that the fact there are more African American HCs and the fact that the two HCs in the SB are African American (not black btw) bring out hostility in you?

    Interesting.

    This is a historical achievement for African Americans as well as for the NFL as a whole. It shows that we have come a long way, and I'd rather talk about that than talking about "Mr. All American" Peyton Manning 24x7 (no pun).

    If you can't respect the history that is being made, then that speaks alot of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBoogy View Post
    18.7% of coaches in the NFL are black. 12% of the U.S. population is black. Why are people still CONSTANTLY referencing RACE??
    I have mixed feelings about this conversation, but I will take a shot at answering this question.

    First of all, the relative similarity of the numbers you point out has been a *long* time coming. So in that regard it is something of an achievement.

    Second, you point out the black coaches:black Americans ratio, which is interesting and relevant. However, there is another ratio that is also relevant to this discussion, which is black coaches:black players.

    Questions about race are very, very difficult. I can completely sympathize with a person choosing not to discuss them as a matter of principle, but I also sympathize with those who see numbers - statistics, if you will - as part of one of the great debates of our times.

    Please do not lightly brush off each other's opinions about whether it's a worthy conversation on these boards, as far as that goes, you are both right, in my humble opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleRulz View Post
    Here is an interesting and amazing fact: the Ravens will be the only team in the AFC North that has a white HC. The Stains, Bengals, and now Steelgirls now have African American HCs. That is amazing. Kuddos NFL.

    That's fuckin' ridiculous! We should demonstrate against the Ravens FO untill all white coaches are banned from the NFL, starting with Billick. Who cares that he coached us to a 13-3 record? He's got the wrong skin color to satisfy some. Nothing like a little discrimination, right?

    Martin Luther King would be astonished as to how attitudes towards race have become twisted and distorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBoogy View Post
    I wasn't going to say anything, because I've sounded off enough on this BS, but you're exactly right Losac.

    This kind of mentality in regard to the "black coaches" is what keeps racial divides alive. Enough with it already. They are two good coaches. You would think that some blacks would find it offensive that people find the need to pander to this side of the aisle. In my mind, the implications are offensive to blacks. The coaching quotas and token interviews are a slap in the face; they imply that these guys can't do it on their own.

    In reality, the best MAN will win. If you're a good coach, you're a good coach. It's not because of the color of your skin. This kind of shit needs to be ignored.

    18.7% of coaches in the NFL are black. 12% of the U.S. population is black. Why are people still CONSTANTLY referencing RACE??
    It looks like a couple of you posters need a course or two in DIVERSITY. In order for there to be unity, you have to respect differences.

    "Why are people still referencing race?" Because there are various ethnicities and cultures and religious beliefs in this country.

    Bottomline, this is a historical occurrence, and the fact that it ignites hostility and a negative response shows why this country will always be divided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    That's fuckin' ridiculous! We should demonstrate against the Ravens FO untill all white coaches are banned from the NFL, starting with Billick. Who cares that he coached us to a 13-3 record? He's got the wrong skin color to satisfy some. Nothing like a little discrimination, right?

    Martin Luther King would be astonished as to how attitudes towards race have become twisted and distorted.
    This is truly amazing this hostility. All I said was that three of four teams in the AFC North will have African American HCs, and I am getting hostile responses.

    I thought this would encourage discussion of how there is diversity in the NFL and how what the Rooney's implemented is aiding in giving ALL PERSONS a chance at becoming Head Coaches, GMs, etc.

    Instead, I am getting hostility. Again very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    I have mixed feelings about this conversation, but I will take a shot at answering this question.

    First of all, the relative similarity of the numbers you point out has been a *long* time coming. So in that regard it is something of an achievement.

    Second, you point out the black coaches:black Americans ratio, which is interesting and relevant. However, there is another ratio that is also relevant to this discussion, which is black coaches:black players.

    Questions about race are very, very difficult. I can completely sympathize with a person choosing not to discuss them as a matter of principle, but I also sympathize with those who see numbers - statistics, if you will - as part of one of the great debates of our times.

    Please do not lightly brush off each other's opinions about whether it's a worthy conversation on these boards, as far as that goes, you are both right, in my humble opinion.

    Excellent post. It is sad that we can't have healthy discussions concerning diversity. It is even sadder that conversations such as this turn argumentative.

    I say "3 out of the 4 HCs in the AFC North are African Americans" or that the two HCs in the SB are African Americans, and suddenly we have a lynch mob.

    As Skay said, "Can't we all just get along?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleRulz View Post
    Why is it that the fact there are more African American HCs and the fact that the two HCs in the SB are African American (not black btw) bring out hostility in you?

    Interesting.

    This is a historical achievement for African Americans as well as for the NFL as a whole. It shows that we have come a long way, and I'd rather talk about that than talking about "Mr. All American" Peyton Manning 24x7 (no pun).

    If you can't respect the history that is being made, then that speaks alot of you.
    The fact that there are 2 black coaches in the Super Bowl does not bring out hostility in me, but the fact that the media and people like you have to keep mentioning that fact 24x7 (pun intended) does irk me. According to you, they are black men first and good football coaches second. I'd like to hear about his accomplishments on the field and not be reminded that his skin color is darker than mine ad-nauseum on ESPN constantly, because honestly what effect does that have on the game next Sunday? I guess you probably agree with Larry Johnson too?




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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleRulz View Post
    This is truly amazing this hostility. All I said was that three of four teams in the AFC North will have African American HCs, and I am getting hostile responses.

    I thought this would encourage discussion of how there is diversity in the NFL and how what the Rooney's implemented is aiding in giving ALL PERSONS a chance at becoming Head Coaches, GMs, etc.

    Instead, I am getting hostility. Again very interesting.
    Simple: Racial quotas are un-American. I don't support athletes or coaches because of race or ethnicity. I don't select a certain number of Blacks, Orientals, Jews, Greeks, Italians, Latinos to hang out with because of race or ethnicity. I hang out wth them because they are my friends. If someone told me that I don't have enough Mexican friends to meet Maryland's demographic profiles, I'd tell them to screw himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleRulz View Post
    Here is an interesting and amazing fact: the Ravens will be the only team in the AFC North that has a white HC. The Stains, Bengals, and now Steelgirls now have African American HCs. That is amazing. Kuddos NFL.
    This is PR's first quote.

    I don't read it as having anything to do with quotas, or extreme (and stupid) remarks like Larry Johnson's. It's a simple and brief comment on a touchy subject.

    The accusation that PR is ramming something down other people's throats, or making extreme suggestions, is unfair to what he actually wrote.

    Flame him or misread him if you want.
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    PR,

    No one is being hostile. I just get a little tired of hearing about this shit. See Losac.

    The people who need to be taught a lesson on diversity are the ones that are constantly caught up with race. You know, the ones that are constantly pandering to one side, creating racial quotas, things of that nature.

    Don't insult my intelligence by telling ME that I need a "lesson in diversity".

    PR is referencing something that is being brought up all over the media, and I reacted the way I did because I'm SO tired of hearing this shit. It's so unbelievably ignorant and stupid.

    When will people understand that the moment you stop making race an issue, it will STOP being an issue! Or, the popular solution is to feel guilty, create racial quotas, and promote a minority like they are the most important thing in the universe.

    A lot of it comes back to Affirmative Action. If everyone is truly equal, the playing field will be leveled. To create a place of equality, race won't be thought about. It won't be an issue. But these "progessives" and morons in the media think that by CONSTANTLY talking about how many blacks are head coaches, how we need more black coaches, and how there are two black HC's in the SB, that racial diversity will be promoted.

    What if I came out and said we need more white players? Where are all the white RB's and CB's? Huh? Maybe we should start ramming that shit down people's throats? You know why people don't? Because the best of the best of these positions happen to be black? Who gives a shit? I don't.

    People really need to get off this shit.




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    Re: The Steelers new Coach is..(drumroll please)

    Well said Lboogy.

    And festivus, I don't think his original post about the AFCN coaches is extreme or promoting quotas, but why is it "amazing" or deserving of kudos as he said? Could it be a coincidence? At the time they were hired, hopefully the owners thought that person was the best man for the job and that's how they got their respective jobs. Why should their skin color even be mentioned? They aren't even elite coaches. Crennel has done nothing in Cleveland, and Marvin Lewis can't keep any team discipline whatsoever and has managed one winning season in 4 years. Tomlin is completely unknown at this point.

    Yes, 3 black coaches in the division. Great. But show me what they do on the field instead of constantly touting their skin color as some badge of accomplishment. If they suck, fire them and hire someone who can do the job better, whether he is white, black, or from Mars.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    If they suck, fire them and hire someone who can do the job better, whether he is white, black, or from Mars.
    Well, look at Art Shell, who is both black *and* from Mars, and he got himself fired!

    I agree performance on the field is the most important part, no question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleRulz View Post
    It looks like a couple of you posters need a course or two in DIVERSITY. In order for there to be unity, you have to respect differences.

    "Why are people still referencing race?" Because there are various ethnicities and cultures and religious beliefs in this country.

    Bottomline, this is a historical occurrence, and the fact that it ignites hostility and a negative response shows why this country will always be divided.
    However, there will, hopefully, come a time when it doesn't matter, and then, it WON"T MATTER! and that is obviously the goal! For some,it still matters, and that IS a shame! as big a shame as that it EVER mattered. My grandfather , who was born in 1896, told me when I was 10 (1964) "The world will never be at peace until we are all the same color." At that time, I'm not sure I knew what he meant, but I was very aware it was extremely profound!
    We talk of the progress we've made, but IMHO, we are lightyears behind where we should be! What part of human being don't some people understand?
    During WW2, the general populace of this "great" country considered the Japanese an inferior race, (to say it kindly) How wrong is that? Why, then, at some point did not a light bulb go off in our collective conscience, and it become obvious that color, or size, or shape is immaterial?
    The real key is that racism is not inherent, it is taught! Mainly by inferior people who needed it to feel good about themselves! It was taught to children, ingrained upon them like church principles, which take a major exorcism to remove one's self from, and therein lies the biggest problem! AND, the greatest shame! That we, as a country, the greatest country on earth, if you listen to US, created, and burdened the future with this menace!!!!




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    Re: The Steelers new Coach is..(drumroll please)

    Noting that 3 of 4 AFCN coaches are black isn't a big deal but I do get why some are turned off by the topic.

    When are we going to STOP recognizing racial differences? The recognition is now doing more to divide than the actual racism which for the most part is dead among those in charge. Yes, I know, there are plenty of rednecks in placeds like Dumbfuck, MS but these cats have less power than they have teeth and they are missing a good number of their choppers.

    The representation of blacks in the NFL HC ranks is something that is and has been going on in industry for a while. Racism among whites against blacks is something that is just about dead. At least in the work place.




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    Re: The Steelers new Coach is..(drumroll please)

    Quote Originally Posted by LBoogy View Post
    PR,

    No one is being hostile. I just get a little tired of hearing about this shit. See Losac.

    The people who need to be taught a lesson on diversity are the ones that are constantly caught up with race. You know, the ones that are constantly pandering to one side, creating racial quotas, things of that nature.

    Don't insult my intelligence by telling ME that I need a "lesson in diversity".

    PR is referencing something that is being brought up all over the media, and I reacted the way I did because I'm SO tired of hearing this shit. It's so unbelievably ignorant and stupid.

    When will people understand that the moment you stop making race an issue, it will STOP being an issue! Or, the popular solution is to feel guilty, create racial quotas, and promote a minority like they are the most important thing in the universe.

    A lot of it comes back to Affirmative Action. If everyone is truly equal, the playing field will be leveled. To create a place of equality, race won't be thought about. It won't be an issue. But these "progessives" and morons in the media think that by CONSTANTLY talking about how many blacks are head coaches, how we need more black coaches, and how there are two black HC's in the SB, that racial diversity will be promoted.

    What if I came out and said we need more white players? Where are all the white RB's and CB's? Huh? Maybe we should start ramming that shit down people's throats? You know why people don't? Because the best of the best of these positions happen to be black? Who gives a shit? I don't.

    People really need to get off this shit.
    1. Do you even know what diversity is? Have you had a training on diversity? If not, you ought to and if so, you need a refresher course.

    2. You are hostile about this. You can read it in your response that you have a hostility when it comes to this subject.

    Again, I mention that 3 out of 4 of the AFC North head coaches are African American and you guys just turned into a lynch mob.

    It is interesting because it shows how far the NFL has come as it pertains to diversity (looks like some of you guys have to catch up). I say kuddos, because these guys are showing African American children that they can have a future in football as more than a player, and that they have a future as a head coach and a GM.
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