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    If speeches meant something, then you have to give validity to Bush's "axis of evil" speech -- widely applauded in the middle east (see Iran) and loathed by the left here at home. Hell, you have to then also go back to Reagan's speech upon election that spoke directly to the Ayatollah and the hostage crisis.

    North Korea and Iran have taunted Obama more in 5 months than they ever did when W was farting in the oval office. Say what you will about that cowboy (and again for the record, I am not a W fan), but you did not see anything close to this nonsense.

    Im doubtful you're willing to go that far.

    And Joe is nothing close to a conservative. Neocon yes. Classic conservative, not even close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    If speeches meant something, then you have to give validity to Bush's "axis of evil" speech -- widely applauded in the middle east (see Iran) and loathed by the left here at home. Hell, you have to then also go back to Reagan's speech upon election that spoke directly to the Ayatollah and the hostage crisis.
    How are speeches not important?

    I don't see how Bush by saying "you're either with us or against us" bridges any gaps in the American-Muslim chasm??? That is the "cowboy" stance that makes America look so arrogant that yes, for sure the left loaths. Obama's "we will will offer a hand if you unclench your fist" is the antithesis of "you are either with us or against us". That speaks more to the Muslim fundamental expectation of respect that "W" never understood.

    Obama also has "street cred" because he is black and has muslim roots. There are things he can say that Bush or Reagan or even Clinton could have never said with the same effect and Obama uses that advantage well. The under 35 muslim crowd never responded to any American President as they did to Obama after the speech. As much as you will hate to hear it...he gave them hope....with a capital "H" Hope.



    And Joe is nothing close to a conservative. Neocon yes. Classic conservative, not even close.
    Have you been listening to him recently now that he is trying to sell hs book? he has completley ridiculed the social conservative movement and focused almost entirely on spending. I don'e see any neocon in him these days.

    Truly I think you would benefit more from reading his book than Levine's or Coulter's 8th book on "I blame all liberals on the fact that I am a lonely and miserable individual and kids in high school picked on me because I looked like an alien"




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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    Obama also has "street cred" because he is black and has muslim roots.


    Thats has to be the funniest thing I've read in awhile. A little over the top with that one, aren't we.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post


    Thats has to be the funniest thing I've read in awhile. A little over the top with that one, aren't we.
    There is a pretty wide consensus that only Obama could have delivered that speech based on his demographics. Even more so if you are comparing the efficacy of speeches given by Bush and Reagan towards the middle east.

    Not sure what you mean by over the top? That notion has been widely reported on in the media by every side.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    There is a pretty wide consensus that only Obama could have delivered that speech based on his demographics. Even more so if you are comparing the efficacy of speeches given by Bush and Reagan towards the middle east.

    Not sure what you mean by over the top? That notion has been widely reported on in the media by every side.

    I was laughing because you said since Obama is black and has muslism roots he has street cred. I'm sorry that's just stupid. Yes that has been reported in the media from every side, but do you even know what street cred means?

    I think street cred means one thing to blacks and something completely different to everyone else.

    It's like a few years back when that song Get Low by Lil John was very popular. Every white person was singing skeet skeet skeet skeet and had no idea what it meant.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    I was laughing because you said since Obama is black and has muslism roots he has street cred. I'm sorry that's just stupid. Yes that has been reported in the media from every side, but do you even know what street cred means?

    I think street cred means one thing to blacks and something completely different to everyone else.

    It's like a few years back when that song Get Low by Lil John was very popular. Every white person was singing skeet skeet skeet skeet and had no idea what it meant.
    My experience of the term "street cred" is one more generalized than just to black musicians. For me it means you have authentic life experience with whatever is being talked about. I don't think you need to be of a certain color or ethnicity. I would say "W" has more street cred giving a speech to white, evangelicals about the need to crush Islam than Obama. I am sure you would find that use even funnier.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    My experience of the term "street cred" is one more generalized than just to black musicians. For me it means you have authentic life experience with whatever is being talked about. I don't think you need to be of a certain color or ethnicity. I would say "W" has more street cred giving a speech to white, evangelicals about the need to crush Islam than Obama. I am sure you would find that use even funnier.
    Your right that made me laugh, maybe its just my weird sense of humor.




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    So he decided to listen to me after all......

    (Basically, he pulled a Clinton, waiting to see how the general public felt and then make up your mind on how to feel.....)

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...55M0RI20090623




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    I think the real point is being passed by here. The current gov't is claiming that the US is behind all the demonstrations. For Obama to start chiming in with verocity would just inflame the claim.
    And to whoever stated that we have been pushing vote rigging, as if that's a good thing......Wha? Huh?
    I feel for the Iranians . We helped overthrow thier gov't in the '50's to install a corrupt thief... the Shah, as dictator, then supported him when the Ayatollah urged revolution. The Iranian people have been through a lot.... much of it at our hands... So now we propose election rigging to make up for our blunders?




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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAP View Post
    Hey Greg - Speaking of hating Israel, remember that thread I started over on scout how he would hate Israel being a Muslim and all and this could be the beginning of US ending its support of Israel.

    At Armegeddon all the countries of the world attack Israel including the US, so something makes the US turn from Israel.

    I said it would be the Muslim President and he is right on schedule.

    And Magnified torched me over there for stating that.


    Jerry Falwell had his Leer Jet. I always thought his church bought it for him.

    No. It was a gift from Israel for preaching their support. Israel never understood why he did it, according to the New Testament, but they liked it. I think they gave one to Pat Robertson and John Hagee to, not sure. Hagee has a book called IN DEFENSE OF ISRAEL plus several others and influences millions of Christians as does Robertson and Falwell who of course is dead but his sons are carrying the torch.

    This support in foreign policy is starting to wane, just like I forecasted last summer.

    You heard it here first.
    Anyone else hear that???





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