Rasmussen Shocker - Only 53% prefer Capitalism

[Galen Sevinne]

The conservative poller Scott Rasmussen releases a surprising (well not so surprising to progressive thnkers but) poll that shows only 53% of the nation prefers capitalism.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...than_socialism

It will be interesting to see if the Right continues with its incessant drum beats of "Obama is a socialist!!!" when maybe, just maybe, the nation is more sympathetic to a democratic socialist stance.

As I have said before I believe socialism is a more evolved form of economic principle especially when it occurs in a fully democratic society. An example is the banking industry where it is crystal clear now that lack of adequate regulation has just about sunk the nation.

Regulatory processes will be redrawn for the industry that will allow for innovation and growth while moderating the risk and opportunity for carelessness. That is the essence of evolution.

Socializing healthcare, education, banking/lending, public works, defense does not preclude innovation and invention but provides necessary safety nets that would lead to steady growth vs. bubble - crash - bubble- crash etc.

[RavensDomination]

"safety nets" = government knows best.

No thanks, capitalism = freedom from government, a founding principal of the United States.

I don't want the government controlling which doctor I see.

[jonboy79]

That's still more then 2:1 Galen, nice way of presenting the numbers to suit your interest. 53/20/27 is still a STRONG majority, despite the fact that we are in some of the worst economic conditions, and all media poining at capitalism as the culprit. Americans remain smarter then that.
Only 30% of democrats prefer socialism, so don't fool yourself, you are still the outlier.
A free market economy holds a 70% favorability. Sounds like about 17% of people are scared of the word capitalism due to ignorance and the MSM.

Did YOU read the whole thing or just the headline there kettel?

[Galen Sevinne]

That's still more then 2:1 Galen, nice way of presenting the numbers to suit your interest. 53/20/27 is still a STRONG majority, despite the fact that we are in some of the worst economic conditions, and all media poining at capitalism as the culprit. Americans remain smarter then that.
Only 30% of democrats prefer socialism, so don't fool yourself, you are still the outlier.
A free market economy holds a 70% favorability. Sounds like about 17% of people are scared of the word capitalism due to ignorance and the MSM.

Did YOU read the whole thing or just the headline there kettel?

This isn't a poll for a politician where usually 53% would be good. This is a poll based on what the what many will say is a, if not the, founding principle of this country and only 53% endorse it.

It would be akin to saying 53% of the country believes in God...sure that is the majority but a fading majority.

It is a clear mandate for a type of regulated capitalism/quasi-socialism which is what the Obama administration has been calling for all along.

Glad to see that you read the whole article this time.

[jonboy79]

This isn't a poll for a politician where usually 53% would be good. This is a poll based on what the what many will say is a, if not the, founding principle of this country and only 53% endorse it.

It would be akin to saying 53% of the country believes in God...sure that is the majority but a fading majority.

It is a clear mandate for a type of regulated capitalism/quasi-socialism which is what the Obama administration has been calling for all along.

Glad to see that you read the whole article this time.

Yet you still pretend not to? What this article tells me is that the MSM is brainwashing uneducated people. If the spread between favor for a free market and capitalism is 17% that's pretty staggering. It simply a buzzword. That's the explanation. You, thankfully are still in the clear minority, It most certainly does not mandate switching to socialism. It's a freaking poll, and you are twisting it to your light at that.

[Galen Sevinne]

Yet you still pretend not to? What this article tells me is that the MSM is brainwashing uneducated people. If the spread between favor for a free market and capitalism is 17% that's pretty staggering. It simply a buzzword. That's the explanation. You, thankfully are still in the clear minority, It most certainly does not mandate switching to socialism. It's a freaking poll, and you are twisting it to your light at that.

where did I say it was a mandate to switch to socialism? Go back and reread what I said and pay close attention to the nuance and subtley of argument. Your tendency to sensationalize and to see everything as a black and white issue doesn't lend towards credibility.

By the way Rasmussen polls lean conservative so to say that this is another example of "MSM brainwashing uneducated people" is well...as par for the course, sensationalistic and uninformed.

[jonboy79]

[QUOTE=Galen Sevinne;140398].
It is a clear mandate for a type of regulated capitalism/quasi-socialism which is what the Obama administration has been calling for all along.

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You are in the clearminority on this issue. Socialism does not need to be pushed, the public is still and always will be against it.

[Galen Sevinne]

I don't want the government controlling which doctor I see.

So you choose to have a "for-profit" insurance company controlling who you see? and that is better than governement? Why?

I accept most major insurance companies in my practice. I also accept medical assistance plans. Against advice from colleagues I opened my practice up to medical assistance reimbursement because I believe in offereing care to all not just though fortunate enough for healthcare. ( I know poor liberal sucker )

All plans, private and public, dictate to me what diagnoses i can treat, how I am to treat them and for how long. I promise you the people on the other line with private, for profit, insurance comapanies are no more suited to tell me what to do then those on the other line from medical assistance. Their educations and experiences are equal.

What you might not know is that medical assistance plans generally reimburse more than private plans, authorize more sessions than private plans and make the treatment plan process far easier than private plans.

You know why? Because they are not for profit.

You know why you don't understand that public insurance is actually better than private and when you say "I don't want the governement to dictate my treatment" but don't seem to understand that with private insurance, it is the exact same type of people and the same process?

Its because private insurance companies hire lobbyists from the profits they earn from your healthcare. These lobbyists in turn create messages that make you make statements like, "I don't want the government to dictate my treatment" which protect the profit generating private insurance companies. Its lobbying at its best and it is paid for by you.

The only difference between medical assistance plans and private insurance plans are that private insurance plans are for profit so it is more expensive.

That's it. The last person i want making my health decisions is someone that is in a position to profit from that decision.

[Galen Sevinne]

LOL-

GALEN side steps Jon Boy again.


He goes on to something else.

it is my policy to make a point...read a rebuttal and give a rejoinder for you and Jonboy.

It doesn't make sense to continue to argue with either of you.

Only 53% of the poll endorsed capitalism. That is remarkable to me. If I asked you guys prior to citing that poll what percentage you thought would endorse capitalism, the connies on this board would have all said at least 75%and that is a conservative guess...probably more like 85%.

If I said only about half of this country think capitalism is a good thing, you guys would have become unhinged...yet when the poll says that, you try to make the case that that somehow supports conservative views. That's a laugher....this country is far more sympathetic to socialist programs and presents much greater antipathy for capitalism than republicans estimate. the Poll demonstrates that uncategorically.

As far as continuiing to try to make that point with either you or Jonboy...jonboy will go to saying how the uneducated people are sheep and are clueless to the great bolsevick revolution being lead by Obama...as if he has great insights to anything other than rudimentary talking points.....just like you will accuse people of calling you "dirty names" after you run out of your rusty old talking points.

I should listen more to "PopsinPa" and just read your stuff and laugh but it becomes a guilty pleasure of mine to keep injecting sense into your pile of steaming mierda de perro.

Welcome to change you can count on folks.

[Rochardrik]

Trap, this is for you. This is about your perception of socialism, which is at best faulty.
Did you ever read the scripture in Deuteronomy about the origin of "tithes"? Which the church in it's money grubbing wisdom has completely hijacked for their own personal gain? According to Moses, God said And thou shalt take ten percent of thy harvest, thy cattle, thy sheep and shall come to a place which I so designate and there shall ye eat ,and drink strong drink and offer up praise to the Lord... And if the distance to the designated place be too far for thee, thou shall gather ten percent of thy harvest, thy cattle, etc. and give it to those less fortunate than thee, that they may eat and drink strong drink and offer up praise to the Lord... etc. And from that, the church was able to twist that into the current rule of tithing ten percent of all your earnings, etc.
Well la-di-da, them damn socialists! and those money grubbing churches, twisting the gospel to mean what they want it to mean..
So STEP BACK from your obvious belief that the way YOU interpret the Bible is "righter" than others!

[Rochardrik]

So you choose to have a "for-profit" insurance company controlling who you see? and that is better than governement? Why?

I accept most major insurance companies in my practice. I also accept medical assistance plans. Against advice from colleagues I opened my practice up to medical assistance reimbursement because I believe in offereing care to all not just though fortunate enough for healthcare. ( I know poor liberal sucker )

All plans, private and public, dictate to me what diagnoses i can treat, how I am to treat them and for how long. I promise you the people on the other line with private, for profit, insurance comapanies are no more suited to tell me what to do then those on the other line from medical assistance. Their educations and experiences are equal.

What you might not know is that medical assistance plans generally reimburse more than private plans, authorize more sessions than private plans and make the treatment plan process far easier than private plans.

You know why? Because they are not for profit.

You know why you don't understand that public insurance is actually better than private and when you say "I don't want the governement to dictate my treatment" but don't seem to understand that with private insurance, it is the exact same type of people and the same process?

Its because private insurance companies hire lobbyists from the profits they earn from your healthcare. These lobbyists in turn create messages that make you make statements like, "I don't want the government to dictate my treatment" which protect the profit generating private insurance companies. Its lobbying at its best and it is paid for by you.

The only difference between medical assistance plans and private insurance plans are that private insurance plans are for profit so it is more expensive.

That's it. The last person i want making my health decisions is someone that is in a position to profit from that decision.

Galen, sensible talk and sensible solutions have no place here. Trap will hold onto anything that he is told represents his "ideals". He has not the sense or logic to make that judgement for himself. He's doing just what he is told.