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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    How many picks did Manning throw and what was his rating? He was very lucky none of his receivers turned the ball over like McNair's did. He also got a very lucky FG that could just as easily bounced backwards. Tom Brady also threw a lot of picks. It happens in the playoffs. So far Manning has 5 picks to ONE TD pass in two playoff games this season and he is thought by some to be the best NFL qB (at least statistically) ever to play. McNair made a bad decision with that goaline throw and also threw one other pick. If you watched Tom Brady play against the Colts in NE earlier this year I believe he had three or four picks. YOu act like the Colt secondary is weak and they are in the top two in the league! Instead of bashing a QB who helped us garner a 13-3 record how about giving the Colts some credit instead?
    Hmmm, I thought winning QBs won games? Manning generated enough offense, even with turnovers, to win the game for his team. On the road. If McNair can't muster more than 6 points at home for a playoff game he deserves the blame.

    I'm sure if Kyle had played the exact same game as McNair did you'd be imploring everyone to give some credit to the Colt defense. Right?




  2. #17

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    Damn, FH. Why did you have to quote him?


    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven
    Sorry for believing the hype.
    --CR
    Now wait a sec Crazy. You weren't believing the hype. Other than maybe a couple of people here and scattered around, the fight has never been about McNair. It's always been about Boller.

    McNair had 11 years of experience, an co-MVP, and was in a Super Bowl. Despite whether people think it was right or wrong to bench Boller, or whatever the circumstances are, it's hard to argue what the guy had on his resume coming in.

    As for the game, enough other people made their share of mistakes that blame can go around. I liken this to the 2005 Cleveland game. I didn't blame Boller entirely for that loss and you can't blame McNair entirely for this one. Yes, McNair's 2 picks were shitty, and the one at the goalline was absolutely inexcusable for an 11 year vet. BUT, Heap fumbled a ball that led to points. Mark Clayton fumbled after a catch that should have netted us 40 yards and a possible score, but instead only got us 5 because luckily there was a penalty. Hell, even Ogden got called for a hold when we didn't need it. It's a pretty good offensive-team loss.

    Bottom line is that nothing will change next year. McNair will be back, Boller will be back. McNair will be the starter, Boller will backup. That's not going to change until the following year, and who knows what's going to happen.

    Anyway, you didn't fall for any hype Crazy. You bought into McNair's resume. I would think not many people will blame you for that.




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    Quote Originally Posted by FHRaven View Post
    Hmmm, I thought winning QBs won games? Manning generated enough offense, even with turnovers, to win the game for his team. On the road. If McNair can't muster more than 6 points at home for a playoff game he deserves the blame.

    I'm sure if Kyle had played the exact same game as McNair did you'd be imploring everyone to give some credit to the Colt defense. Right?
    FHRaven, I have some advice for you:

    EDIT: It was just a pic of me ignoring Tex Ritter, but it was too big to be hosted, damn...
    Last edited by copenhaggard; 01-15-2007 at 09:28 PM.
    Season over, guess I'll have to start drinking beer again...




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    Hey Tex...do you think the Colts D would have made Boller look as bad as McNair?

    GO RAVENS!!!




  5. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaybaltimore View Post
    Hey Tex...do you think the Colts D would have made Boller look as bad as McNair?

    GO RAVENS!!!
    Oh skay. You're still kind of new here. You gotta stop setting them up like that. I have him on ignore and I already know what his answer is going to be.

    I'm sure the words "Blunder", "tripping", "stumbling", and "anyone who thinks blah blah blah is stupid or needs their head examined".

    Oh yeah, and

    Just remember that you asked for it.




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    Other than maybe a couple of people here and scattered around, the fight has never been about McNair. It's always been about Boller
    My support for Mcnair has deminished after Saturdays game. McNair walked in here with a nice resume and was given the job. I have no problem with that decision but going forward things should be different. If Boller has learned something from Mcnair, with his athletic ability, we should see some serious results from him. Every Boller supporter has suggested that he needed at least a year under a Vet, and I agree, who else would be better than steve, to help Boller become a better qb.

    Now as far as it always being about boller, why would it be? Mcnair was brought in to help guide us to the playoffs, He did that but we expected more and didnt get a win. And that's why I say Boller's chance has to come next season, especially since he is in his final year of his contract. At least get him some playing time with the First string in Training camp the same way Romo did with the Cowboys. We need to know if he has improved and if he has, we may need to keep him around and sign him to a new contract.


    This is loss is a tough pill to swallow.I dont think I will ever get over this one.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    If Tom Brady loses to the Colts and gets picked several times next week will some of you be calling him a lousy QB? If so, you need to get your heads examined. The Colt defense has made virtually every QB look bad this season. When they lost it was to teams who ran the ball down their throat not passed against them. Some of you need to open your eyes to the reality that it is the Colts defense giving top QB's problems, not top QB's playing like crap!
    Yes, in the last few weeks the great Colts Defense somehow held McChoke to a worse performance than the great David Carr and Cleo Lemon. CLEO LEMON!!! Vince Young managed to put up 2 TDs against them. In fact, a quick scan of the Colt's season seems to show that almost EVERY QB played better against them than McChoke did. Don't you get tired of me always proving you wrong?

    Answer my other question, if Boller had put up the same game as McChoke would you begging everyone to consider how good the Colt's Defense was?




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    Quote Originally Posted by copenhaggard View Post
    FHRaven, I have some advice for you:

    EDIT: It was just a pic of me ignoring Tex Ritter, but it was too big to be hosted, damn...
    Thanks, but I like slapping him around every few weeks.




  9. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Oh skay. You're still kind of new here. You gotta stop setting them up like that. I have him on ignore and I already know what his answer is going to be.

    I'm sure the words "Blunder", "tripping", "stumbling", and "anyone who thinks blah blah blah is stupid or needs their head examined".

    Oh yeah, and

    Just remember that you asked for it.
    Gimme a LITTLE bit of credit, Stinger.



    I've been riding Tex/Old19/Spike Marlin up and down the Internet over his "I hate Boller" obsession. I was just checkin to see if he'd learned a little restraint -- to the extent that he'd ignore ME and MY COMMENT. LOL

    GO RAVENS!!!
    Last edited by skaybaltimore; 01-16-2007 at 02:14 PM.




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    Re: One and done

    I've been pretty content to not have to deal with this mess all year. I think McNair has earned the right to be the starter next season, unless training camp shows otherwise. One bad (well, okay, miserably awful) game shouldn't take that away. At the same time, I hope we're not looking at Boller as a failure to be cast aside. We could still reap some positives from this investment.

    That said, any situation that makes Boller a major player next year is bad for us. If he becomes the starter and sucks, then we're once again left without an answer at QB and we'll have spent another season losing. If he becomes the starter and is successful, we're going to have to renegotiate a big contract for him based off of some temporary positive results, and I don't think we have the space for that right now. For Boller to step in and succeed, anything less than the Super Bowl would still be bad news... because we might not be able to keep him at that point without sacrificing a big chunk of our cap room.

    The best scenario? McNair should start for another year and get another chance to take us to a championship. Boller should remain the backup. In 2008, we should attempt to re-sign Boller to a very moderate, low-risk deal, then give him another shot at the starting job. We can either release McNair or attempt to get him into a backup's contract, which would be preferable. Then, if Boller is successful for a couple years, we can talk about renegotiating. If he's not, we'll be able to release him without any long-term implications, and start searching for a new "QB of the future".

    The last thing we want is Boller to have one good year and be Scott Mitchell.




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    The only thing I'd add to your post, Gabrosin, is that I'd like to keep an eye out for a possible 2nd/3rd round draft pick for a QB out of college. It's impossible to say, but I liked what I saw in Proctor (sp?) out of Clemson. I watched him in the Hula Bowl, and I thought he had a good "presence" on the field. He doesn't seem to appear on a lot of folk's "A" list, so that might mean he'd be available in the later rounds. But who knows...it's all speculation at this point.

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    I'd be content with drafting a QB in the middle or late rounds, but I don't think this year's crop warrants a first-round selection, unless one of the projected top QBs suffers an Aaron Rodgers, which seems unlikely, especially considering the success of this year's rookie QB class, which will only increase demand for signal-callers. It seems like every year, fans want someone who can help their team RIGHT NOW, but in Baltimore, this is one of those years where it would make sense. It certainly appears that we have a talented team that's capable of contending for the Super Bowl, and we should do our best to provide young players at impact positions to get us there.

    It's been really hard to assess what the Ravens need most right now, because we don't really NEED anything, as far as I can see. If we could swap this pick for a first-rounder next year, that would be an incredible success. We don't stand to lose much in free agency, even if the absolute worst happens and every single FA leaves. I like Mughelli and think he'll stay, but we can replace a fullback without much expense. Adalius Thomas is an outstanding player and I hope we can keep him, but we have several other good defenders that will still make an impact without him. BJ Sams is a good return man, but those can always be found through the draft. Jarret Johnson, Aubrayo Franklin, Musa Smith... all basically depth players. The one guy who might hurt the most to lose is Pashos, and only because there's not a lot out there in free agency to replace him, and playing a rookie in his spot would really be a step back for our O-line's chemistry.

    The place we could find the most immediate improvement is probably running back. Running back is the easiest position to make an impact as a rookie, and replacing Jamal would give us some cap space to work with. Injuries have convinced backs like Peterson and Bush to apply to the draft, which increases the chances that a talented back will slip to us. Further, the run on RBs last year, and the relative stability of many RB situations around the league, will keep demand low.

    The irony is, we may not even need to spend our first-round pick on a RB in order to get an impact player.




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    I'd like to see the Ravens grab Turner from SD. I don't know the details or what we'd have to give up, but with Turner, Ovie, and Mike Anderson, I think we'd have an instant upgrade that would have a major impact and MIGHT be enough to get us over the hump.

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    I don't see Turner as an instant upgrade for us. Some teams, maybe, but not here. He's basically Chester Taylor. Taylor went to Minnesota and had a solid season but wore down late in the year. That's not what we need. Even splitting time with Anderson might not prevent a guy like Turner from losing it as the season closes. Taylor looked awfully good breaking long runs on passing downs, but what we need is someone who can get five to six yards over two downs when we need it, AND someone with the potential to turn a few of those short runs into big gains. Anderson could help grind for us, especially when we're just killing the clock. But I don't think he can break big plays. Neither can Jamal; his breakaway speed is not there any more and it isn't coming back. We needs someone who hits the hole fast and decisively and gets at least a few almost every time, someone who every so often will make a LB miss and then race with the DBs for a big gain or TD. Unfortunately, I don't see Marshawn Lynch slipping to us, or he might be the guy. I like Michael Bush but his injury concerns me, and he's more in the mold of Jamal, which I think our team is moving away from. Other than that, we'll just have to wait for the Combine and Pro Day workouts and try to find the right mix.




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    Skay it was reported on NST recently Turner is a RFA and we'd have to give up a 1st rounder. Interesting question whether he'd be worth it.
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