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  1. #31

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?



    renegotiate his outlandish contract
    Do you really think McNair's contract is "outlandish"?

    I've compiled some dollar figures on 2006 salaries. I used 000 in place of the hundreds part of the salary to save time.

    Vick--------------23,102,000
    Hasselbeck--------19,005,000
    Brady-------------15,654,000
    Farve-------------9,500,000
    Roethlisberger----9,498,000
    Eli Manning-------9,305,000
    Brees-------------8,082,000
    Plummer-----------7,630,000
    Mcnair------------7,501,000
    Culpepper---------7,042,000
    Rivers------------6,934,000
    Collins-----------6,022,000
    Brooks------------5,750,000
    Delhomme----------5,665,000
    Carr--------------5,504,000
    Green-------------5,000,000
    Losman------------4,481,000
    Warner------------4,004,000
    Bledsoe-----------4,004,000
    McNabb------------4,001,000
    Palmer------------3,750,000
    Smith-------------3,500,000
    P.Manning---------668,000- Surely backloaded for cap relief. Incase anyone wonders where Peyton is.


    If you look at the QB's that signed last season , although I would have liked to seen Mac perform better. I think the Ravens got what they paid for .
    Sometimes statistics don't complete the picture. The Ravens to a man will tell you how much Mac has meant to the team. Atleast from what I've heard.
    Last edited by RustonRifle; 01-14-2007 at 05:32 PM.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustonRifle View Post
    Sometimes statistics don't complete the picture. The Ravens to a man will tell you how much Mac has meant to the team. Atleast from what I've heard.
    There's no doubt about this at least. I even saw McAlister with a McNair Touch of Class t-shirt on during the pre-game interviews.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by General Lee 01 View Post
    i can't believe some of you want boller in there instead of mac 9. if we would have won the game, you'd all be calling him the savior of the team like everyone did when we were winning during the season. it's startin to sound like a redskins board in here, stop all the whinin. we lost, it sucks, but you can't put the game on one player. mcnair will be back next year and we'll have a helluva season, stop all the cryin and bitchin.
    Agreed...he had a shitty game. McNair gets 50% of the blame and Billick gets the other 50. He abandoned the run too early (Jamal looked pretty good last night) and fell into Indy's lap with all the passing into cover 2. If Clayton didn't drop that ball around the 20 yd line, we might not be bitching at all!




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    Nurse:
    Which is exactly why Shanahan made the switch to Cutler, because Plummer could not get the job done when it counted
    Comparing McNair with Plummer is ridiculously stupid.

    T:
    You don't like $33 million? Sorry, but that's the amount of his contract. About a $7 million cap hit. Spin it any way you want: we are stuck with his multi-million cap hit for 2007, for the NFL's 14th ranked QB.
    A side-note on RustonRifle's post. I dunno where you got your numbers, and I only actually looked up McNair's, but his is way wrong. His '06 salary was $1MM, not $7.5MM.
    http://www.nflpa.org/Resources/Activ....aspx?id=22523

    His salary is $3MM next year, then $4MM, then $6MM the last two.

    His bonus was $11MM, for the five year deal. That's $2.2MM per year in cap hits. Next year, his cap hit will be $5.2MM, out of a cap that'll be around $105MM.

    If we cut him, we get the $3MM salary off the cap, but accelorate the entire remaining bonus amount. That's an $8.8MM cap hit. For those less mathematically inclined, it's $3.5MM more of a cap hit to cut him than to keep him.

    If you cut him after the Jun 1 (or is it July?) deadline, you get his $2.2MM cap hit this year and dump his salary, but the $6.6MM goes onto next year when you don't have him anymore. You save his $3MM salary hit this year though.

    In '08, his cap hit would be $6.2MM if we keep him, $6.6MM if we cut him, and if we cut him after the deadline we'd only have $4.4MM hit us in '09.

    That's the reality of the cap hits we take with and without McNair over the next two seasons...no spin allowed.

    My personal feelings would be that I'd hope we draft a QB (Troy Smith late in the second or third round would be nice), and keep McNair around for another year or two to groom him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Nurse View Post
    Let it go...that was years ago. We have already absorbed that loss. Now we are going to have to absorb McNair financially. Maybe Cleveland wants him with Jamal.
    I wouldn't mind that if we could do something to get JeMarcus Russell out of LSU...he will be very good for some team in the NFL!




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    FYI, I just looked up the salary caps:
    http://www.nflpa.org/cba/cba_pdf/Art...eam_Salary.pdf

    '07 - $109MM
    '08 and beyond is unset as of now.

    Keeping McNair next year, his cap his is less than 5% of our total cap space. Not a burden at all, for a QB that took us to a 13-3 record.

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    .... your best comeback is that I have Boller as a boyfriend.
    You gotta remember T, when it comes to Boller and these guys, anything you say that doesn't call him names or talk about him like you want him dead; and you're automatically his boyfriend. It's all they have.




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    Listen up! McNair had a very solid regular season, but in the biggest game of the year, he came up very small. No ifs, ands or buts about it. In a playoff game, he sucked, plain and simple.

    That doesn't mean I don't want him back next year, but like T has been saying all along, he's not worth the price we are paying.




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    PSU, I got my salary info off of Foxsports. I assumed it was yearly salary plus signing bonus.

    Here it is if you or anyone else wants to look around.


    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamSal...tegoryId=67065




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    George Allen's theory was that, you start the best qb you can get your hands on. Right now the Ravens have 3 options, McNair, Boller & Olsen. FA signing and/or draft is a possiblity; trade less likely.
    IMHO, McNair is our starter cuz he's the best we could get our hands on. He sure worked out better than Kerry Collins or Dante Culpepper.
    dang, I think Boller would be fine if he'd be less anxious and stop tripping twice every game. He wants it too bad, while McNair seems to sleepwalk sometimes.
    what FAs are available???




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    I have supported McNair all year, but he sucked balls Saturday Night.

    Of course the Team of Steve and Brian lost us the game.

    Billick was running the Offense like he expected our Defense to shut Indy out, and McNair made bad decisions at the worst times.

    I am pretty much still in shock over this.

    And with the possible exit of both AD and JO, this is a sad, sad time to be a Ravens fan




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heap86 View Post
    I am pretty much still in shock over this.(
    That pretty much sums up my feelings too. I can't believe we kept them out of the end zone and managed to lose. I can't believe we only scored six points. I can't believe we played what was probably our worst game of the year. Seriously, aside from the MNF game against Denver, did we play a game all year as bad as this? It wasn't all McNair's fault, but he sure picked a terribe time to have a bad game.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Least we forget, Indy's defense has been built over the past few years to STOP McNair. He knew what was coming at him and I wonder how far in his head that team was. That, however does not excuse the fact that the play calling was crap and so was just about everything else on offense on Sat.

    Blech . . . . what a bummer
    Screw 'em all

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    The playcalling was fine by me. I saw McNair miss Demetrius Williams wide open quite a few times. Mason once or twice, also.


    McNair was afraid to challenge them deep, for whatever reason. There were deeper routes getting run.


    McNair was locking onto primary recievers and forcing the ball there.


    If we're going to do that, put Boller in. He has the stronger arm to force things in, and overall, I think he'd want to win more.


    McNair already has his legacy. At least Boller would have been out to carve his own, good or bad.


    When I see the bears stick with Grossman and win that game, thats what I wish Baltimore would do and Baltimore fans would support.


    Grossman made his mistakes that game, but also put up points.


    I would have taken a Grossman/Boller like effort of 55% passing with 2 TDs and 2 INTs over what McNair gave us any day.


    Same reason Shanahan went with Cutler. Cutler makes the mistakes, but at elast puts up points.


    McNair's inability to throw the deep ball, or his hesistance to, is a dealbreaker for me at this point.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    The playcalling was fine by me. I saw McNair miss Demetrius Williams wide open quite a few times. Mason once or twice, also.


    McNair was afraid to challenge them deep, for whatever reason. There were deeper routes getting run.


    McNair was locking onto primary recievers and forcing the ball there.


    If we're going to do that, put Boller in. He has the stronger arm to force things in, and overall, I think he'd want to win more.


    McNair already has his legacy. At least Boller would have been out to carve his own, good or bad.


    When I see the bears stick with Grossman and win that game, thats what I wish Baltimore would do and Baltimore fans would support.


    Grossman made his mistakes that game, but also put up points.


    I would have taken a Grossman/Boller like effort of 55% passing with 2 TDs and 2 INTs over what McNair gave us any day.


    Same reason Shanahan went with Cutler. Cutler makes the mistakes, but at elast puts up points.


    McNair's inability to throw the deep ball, or his hesistance to, is a dealbreaker for me at this point.
    This is sloppy logic for two reasons.

    1. We don't have Jay Cutler. We have Kyle Boller. Boller is not a third the QB that Cutler will become.

    2. Denver made the switch and did they make the playoffs? I did not think so.
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