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  1. #25
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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?



    I tried to tell everyone McNair is a heartbreaker, but was shouted down.
    Just another example of why he was and still is a loser.
    Takes you to the edge and leaves you hanging.

    sad




  2. #26

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    I look at it as Vince Wilfork (2004 first) and a 2003 second round pick to acquire Boller but like any thing there's many ways to look at it.

    I have confidence in the front office to get this straight.




  3. #27

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    I agree, about Boller.

    I also agree that had he started the game and literally the game went the same exact way (same plays called, passes thrown, and all in all just Boller in there instead of McNair)...that he probably would have been physically attacked on his way out of the stadium.

    There is a double standard.

    That being said...if there was ever a type of game when Boller would have struggled mightily, it was this one...there was pressure on every passing down.

    McNair really has struggled most of the year. Most of us noticed it against Cleveland and San Diego despite winning those 2 games.

    When he is bad, he's really really bad.




  4. #28

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    It's going to be interesting to see what the Ravens do in the off season. They can take 1 of 2 approaches:

    1. Try to keep the team intact as much as possible and try one more time next year (like they did in 2001).

    2. Slowly dismantle the team by not signing Jamal Lewis, getting rid of Samari Rolle and other high priced aged players.

    Since we did not advance further in the playoffs, one has to wonder if this team has it to go all the way. Obviously at 13-3 we are a good team. Are we good enough?




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    This is what we got for $33 million? A "whopping" 49.9 rating, two picks, against a mediocre Colts defense. He blew on two potential TD passes to Heap that would have reversed the game. ralph: This loss is squarely on McNair's shoulders. Sorry - no more excuses: after we emptied our warchest, we expected playoff calibre performances. Trent Dilfer, Elvis Grbac, even Anthony fuckin' Wright outperformed this bozo in the playoffs.

    On top of that, we may not now be able to afford to keep Adalius.

    I say: cut our losses, dump his salary now, eat the rest of his signing bonus. Let's build for the future. We are going nowhere behind an 82 rated QB who chokes in playoffs games.

    T, You're a DUMBFUCK!!!! You've shit on McNair all season. We would never have made it this far with your boyfriend Boller and you fucken know it!!!!

    Later!
    I BLEED RAVEN PURPLE!!!




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    Quote Originally Posted by 52RAYVENS View Post
    T, You're a DUMBFUCK!!!! You've shit on McNair all season. We would never have made it this far with your boyfriend Boller and you fucken know it!!!!

    Later!

    Nice ... did you graduate from the School of Thugs? Just because I never had my nose so far up McNair's ass like some other Ravens fans to be blinded by the hype, and correctly assessed that we were overpaying for an average & aging player .... your best comeback is that I have Boller as a boyfriend.

    Very, very weak.

    So, outside of name calling, why don't you tell us what a great job McNair did yesterday? Or, how McNair's "strong" arm got us the 13 wins, not our Defense? Or how you have the scoop that he's going to renegotiate his outlandish contract so we can we can keep our Defense intact. Or, that his 14th ranking in the NFL doesn't mean anything because he's got all the "intangibles", which almost won us the game yesterday.

    Or, is there anything positive you can state about McNair's performance yesterday with a straight face? I can't. It was the predominant reason why we lost.
    In a 2003 BBC poll that asked Brits to name the "Greatest American Ever", Mr. T came in fourth, behind ML King (3rd), Abe Lincoln (2nd) and Homer Simpson (1st).




  7. #31

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    renegotiate his outlandish contract
    Do you really think McNair's contract is "outlandish"?

    I've compiled some dollar figures on 2006 salaries. I used 000 in place of the hundreds part of the salary to save time.

    Vick--------------23,102,000
    Hasselbeck--------19,005,000
    Brady-------------15,654,000
    Farve-------------9,500,000
    Roethlisberger----9,498,000
    Eli Manning-------9,305,000
    Brees-------------8,082,000
    Plummer-----------7,630,000
    Mcnair------------7,501,000
    Culpepper---------7,042,000
    Rivers------------6,934,000
    Collins-----------6,022,000
    Brooks------------5,750,000
    Delhomme----------5,665,000
    Carr--------------5,504,000
    Green-------------5,000,000
    Losman------------4,481,000
    Warner------------4,004,000
    Bledsoe-----------4,004,000
    McNabb------------4,001,000
    Palmer------------3,750,000
    Smith-------------3,500,000
    P.Manning---------668,000- Surely backloaded for cap relief. Incase anyone wonders where Peyton is.


    If you look at the QB's that signed last season , although I would have liked to seen Mac perform better. I think the Ravens got what they paid for .
    Sometimes statistics don't complete the picture. The Ravens to a man will tell you how much Mac has meant to the team. Atleast from what I've heard.
    Last edited by RustonRifle; 01-14-2007 at 04:32 PM.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustonRifle View Post
    Sometimes statistics don't complete the picture. The Ravens to a man will tell you how much Mac has meant to the team. Atleast from what I've heard.
    There's no doubt about this at least. I even saw McAlister with a McNair Touch of Class t-shirt on during the pre-game interviews.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by General Lee 01 View Post
    i can't believe some of you want boller in there instead of mac 9. if we would have won the game, you'd all be calling him the savior of the team like everyone did when we were winning during the season. it's startin to sound like a redskins board in here, stop all the whinin. we lost, it sucks, but you can't put the game on one player. mcnair will be back next year and we'll have a helluva season, stop all the cryin and bitchin.
    Agreed...he had a shitty game. McNair gets 50% of the blame and Billick gets the other 50. He abandoned the run too early (Jamal looked pretty good last night) and fell into Indy's lap with all the passing into cover 2. If Clayton didn't drop that ball around the 20 yd line, we might not be bitching at all!




  10. #34

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Nurse:
    Which is exactly why Shanahan made the switch to Cutler, because Plummer could not get the job done when it counted
    Comparing McNair with Plummer is ridiculously stupid.

    T:
    You don't like $33 million? Sorry, but that's the amount of his contract. About a $7 million cap hit. Spin it any way you want: we are stuck with his multi-million cap hit for 2007, for the NFL's 14th ranked QB.
    A side-note on RustonRifle's post. I dunno where you got your numbers, and I only actually looked up McNair's, but his is way wrong. His '06 salary was $1MM, not $7.5MM.
    http://www.nflpa.org/Resources/Activ....aspx?id=22523

    His salary is $3MM next year, then $4MM, then $6MM the last two.

    His bonus was $11MM, for the five year deal. That's $2.2MM per year in cap hits. Next year, his cap hit will be $5.2MM, out of a cap that'll be around $105MM.

    If we cut him, we get the $3MM salary off the cap, but accelorate the entire remaining bonus amount. That's an $8.8MM cap hit. For those less mathematically inclined, it's $3.5MM more of a cap hit to cut him than to keep him.

    If you cut him after the Jun 1 (or is it July?) deadline, you get his $2.2MM cap hit this year and dump his salary, but the $6.6MM goes onto next year when you don't have him anymore. You save his $3MM salary hit this year though.

    In '08, his cap hit would be $6.2MM if we keep him, $6.6MM if we cut him, and if we cut him after the deadline we'd only have $4.4MM hit us in '09.

    That's the reality of the cap hits we take with and without McNair over the next two seasons...no spin allowed.

    My personal feelings would be that I'd hope we draft a QB (Troy Smith late in the second or third round would be nice), and keep McNair around for another year or two to groom him.

    - C -




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Nurse View Post
    Let it go...that was years ago. We have already absorbed that loss. Now we are going to have to absorb McNair financially. Maybe Cleveland wants him with Jamal.
    I wouldn't mind that if we could do something to get JeMarcus Russell out of LSU...he will be very good for some team in the NFL!




  12. #36

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    FYI, I just looked up the salary caps:
    http://www.nflpa.org/cba/cba_pdf/Art...eam_Salary.pdf

    '07 - $109MM
    '08 and beyond is unset as of now.

    Keeping McNair next year, his cap his is less than 5% of our total cap space. Not a burden at all, for a QB that took us to a 13-3 record.

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