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  1. Re: REASONS FOR THE LOSS (AKA, the Blame Game)



    It's Ripkens fault




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    Re: REASONS FOR THE LOSS (AKA, the Blame Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tspot-D-Ravenator View Post
    It's Ripkens fault
    I thought he was kidding, but look at the stats:
    RAVENS PLAYOFF RECORD WITHOUT CAL RIPKEN: 5-2
    RAVENS PLAYOFF RECORD WITH CAL RIPKEN: 0-1
    The numbers don't lie!!!




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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorsam View Post
    I thought he was kidding, but look at the stats:
    RAVENS PLAYOFF RECORD WITHOUT CAL RIPKEN: 5-2
    RAVENS PLAYOFF RECORD WITH CAL RIPKEN: 0-1
    The numbers don't lie!!!
    Thanks for getting my back sailorsam




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    I just talked to someone who attended the game and was trying to get some idea of what really happened because its so hard to tell on TV. My question related directly to what you're saying. I asked if our receivers were open downfield or they were covered.

    He told me that the crowd was getting antsy because our guys were open downfield on a regular basis! So, it looks like what you're saying about McNair's confidence may be true. All I can say is tht on TV he looked confused.




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    this loss is ALL on Billick. He had 2 weeks to prep for this game and still had no idea how to exploit the Cover 2 def. They played not to lose, like he wanted a 10-7 game.....give me a FRIGGIN break.

    Man I wish he had been fired last year.

    FM




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanman View Post
    this loss is ALL on Billick. He had 2 weeks to prep for this game and still had no idea how to exploit the Cover 2 def. They played not to lose, like he wanted a 10-7 game.....give me a FRIGGIN break.

    Man I wish he had been fired last year.

    FM
    You're a FREGGIN' NUT BAG! McNair"s decisions cost us the game!




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    I understand your reasoning for blaming McNair, but I disagree.

    1. We didn't run the ball enough
    2. We didn't spread the defense
    3. We didn't stretch the field
    4. The play calling in the red zone was atrocious
    5. How many times was Dem Williams on the field....like 2?
    6. The whole game plan was crap
    7. Killing the clock at the half was a complete embarrassment

    FM




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanman View Post
    I understand your reasoning for blaming McNair, but I disagree.

    1. We didn't run the ball enough
    2. We didn't spread the defense
    3. We didn't stretch the field
    4. The play calling in the red zone was atrocious
    5. How many times was Dem Williams on the field....like 2?
    6. The whole game plan was crap
    7. Killing the clock at the half was a complete embarrassment

    FM
    I am sick and tired of hearing this crap about killing the clock at the end of the half. It is real easy in the cheap seats to second guess that decision, but it made a lot of sense.

    There was about one minute left and the Colts had 2 time outs. If we start throwing the ball, we keep the clock from moving and, unless we get a first down, punt it away with appx. 40 seconds (or whatever) left to a Colts team with 2 time outs and a dangerous passing game. Plus to open the 2d half the Colts would get the ball.

    Was it conservative? Yes. Did the fans like it? No. But neither of those things means it was wrong, and I personally think it's just goofy to suggest anyone playing or coaching for the Ravens doesn't want to WIN.

    Concerning the play calling in the red zone being atrocious - If McNair hit Demetrius Williams for a td, instead of missing Heap for a pick on the exact same play, would that still be atrocious play calling?
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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    Re: REASONS FOR THE LOSS (AKA, the Blame Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Concerning the play calling in the red zone being atrocious - If McNair hit Demetrius Williams for a td, instead of missing Heap for a pick on the exact same play, would that still be atrocious play calling?
    No, that would not have been atrocious, but McNair was locked onto Heap as soon as he got the ball. He didn't even look at D Will. When the Ravens called TO before that play, the play I called for was the QB Draw. Spread them out & let Steve take it right up the middle. Call his own number, keep it on the ground, if it doesn't work, kick the FG.


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    When your team us struggling to make a 1st down and you have 2 TOs left and you have the ball, you at least TRY to get pts on the board, if you fail, no big deal. But wasting an entire possession is a JOKE...only a little p--sy wouldn't try to get more pts. And Billick called the whole game like a scared little kid.

    FM




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    Re: REASONS FOR THE LOSS (AKA, the Blame Game)

    There's one other reason that I haven't seen yet, and it's the most painful one to hear: simple bad luck.

    Sometimes, the ball's just not going to bounce your way. Heap fumbles and the Colts recover. We hit a deep strike with flags flying and the receiver (can't remember who) fumbles, so we have to take a five-yard penalty instead. We force a fumble and it rolls out of bounds. The Colts KR flubs two kicks, but the ball stays near him, so he has time to pick it up and get a few yards back, rather than having to fall on it. We tip away a couple of passes that would have otherwise been interceptions. Vinatieri's kick hits the crossbar and bounces over, so his last kick has a chance to seal the game by putting them up two possessions.

    This is not intended as an excuse for shoddy offensive play, or to say that we deserved to win the game. But it was a factor. Our defense did a tremendous job and Manning looked awful again, and we held one of the top three offenses in the NFL without a touchdown. Our offense was lethargic and McNair played a miserable game.

    Still, if we catch a couple more breaks and the luck had evened out, we might be talking about hosting the Pats right now.




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    the offense as a whole didn't play well the entire game. But with 4 changes we win that game.

    1 ~ that pass makes it to heap we're up 10-6
    2 ~ McNair completes the pass to williams and at worst that's another 3.
    3 ~ Clayton holds onto the ball ~ more potential for another three.
    4 ~ heap doesn't fumble, 1st down Ravens.

    Then you're got Ravens winning 16-12.

    But that's the whole problem with our offense, execution has to be about flawless to win. I am hoping Billick gets his hands out of the offensive pot and let's Slick Rick (if he's not the new OC I will be shocked) run his own game, I think we'll like the changes.




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    It all comes down to playing to win or playing not to lose. You can get away with playing not to lose if you are winning the turnover battle. If you lose the turnover battle like we did the only way to win is to play to win. Don't abandon the run. Throw it down the field. Try a 15 yard pass on third and 5 instead of a 2 yard pass.




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    > It all comes down to playing to win or playing not to lose.
    Something that gets repeated so often I might be tricked into thinking it means something.

    If the guys 15 yards down the field are (a) covered or (b) overlooked, then there will be a throw underneath. If Steve McNair sees a receiver break loose 15 yards downfield, he will throw it to him, of course.

    Even assuming the plan was for throws underneath, that's consistent with a strategy of attacking Indy's undersized linebackers. Good strategy? Bad strategy? I don't know. Lots of people who post here and call NST *do* seem to know; perhaps their experience watching television, playing Madden, and coaching peewee football makes them experts.

    I can't help but think that without one or two bad calls and bad turnovers, we would have won.

    Would everyone be calling/posting to complain about our terrible coach without those bad calls and bad turnovers, and a victory instead? Same coach, same coaching, different result. Nobody whines.

    We had a great season, going 13-3, sweeping the Steelers and generally representing very well. We *did* have a poor game against Indianapolis in the playoffs. That does *not* mean, after a successful year, you burn down the house.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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    Re: REASONS FOR THE LOSS (AKA, the Blame Game)

    The Colts had three (3) fumbles and recovered all three.

    We had two and lost both






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