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  1. #31

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low



    More evidence of the horrendous sports radio in this town.

    And then the co-host of the show comes on and repeatedly says how his buddy "thought" she was 18 even though he went to her school and picked her up?

    Oh, and way to explain away the 20 bucks. He didn't promise it to her before? Good for him. What a guy. He just gave it to her out of the kindness of his heart.

    How pathetic.

    Drew, we've disagreed on the other board before about sports stuff and but at least we kept it to sports.

    You were best served to remain just a reader and not gotten involved in this thread.

    Or at least just typed one line about him not technically being a child molestor. That's a real feather in his cap.

    Unreal.

    PP




  2. #32

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Purple, you are no doubt always going to win these "debates" because, as most people will attest who have seen your work, you're never wrong.

    The $20 bucks thing was brought up to merely point out why he wasn't charged with a crime. It doesn't change the overall nature of what Art did and it certainly doesn't make him any less reckless. No one said that. What the issue DOES relate to is "CRIMINAL ACTIVITY"...breaking the law, etc. And because he didn't promise her any money BEFORE they met or during any of their on-line conversations, he was not found to have committed a crime.

    Giving her $20 after the fact because he felt guilty or felt it somehow made it more "acceptable" (in his distorted mind -- his words today, not mine) is WRONG, but it's not a criminal act in our great state and in the court of Howard County.

    I'm far more "best served" to talk about and write about this than you, PP.

    You have an agenda, as usual. And when someone's ideas or comments don't mesh with yours, you attack. It's what you do best, actually.

    In reality, YOU are probably best served to sit this one out, not me.

    Art doesn't have any feathers in his cap. He nearly ruined his life. He spent time in jail. He doesn't have a job. He probably won't get one anytime soon. And he did that to himself and very few people feel sorry for him. Not many feathers in that cap he's wearing.

    But, just like The Sun saw fit to give 28 column inches to Keith Mills last week to "tell his story", WNST saw fit to give Art Sinclair time today to "tell his story". There's no difference, really. Except The Sun costs you 50 cents.

    And, if somewhere out there today, someone listening heard Art's story and it sounded painfully like something they're going through in their life right now, then some good WAS done out of Art being there today if that person decides to change their lifestyle before another 16-year old girl gets hurt.

    Once the football writings start again, PP, feel free to contribute.




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    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe
    And then the co-host of the show comes on and repeatedly says how his buddy "thought" she was 18 even though he went to her school and picked her up?
    Lots of 18 year olds are still in high school. Most are 18 when they graduate. It's not unreasonable to think a girl you meet who says she is 18 is still a senior in HS.




  4. #34

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Quote Originally Posted by df1570
    The young lady was NOT a minor (by law) and she was NOT a child.
    Sorry, but you are confusing what a "minor" is and what the "age of consent" is. The girl (not young lady) was a minor - she is under 18, the age of majority in Maryland. She is also a "child" - by any definition.

    She is however, over the "age of consent" under the laws in this State.
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  5. #35

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Fairly noted, B-More.

    I think our great state needs to revisit all the laws pertaining to "age of consent", IMHO. I'm not sure how on earth that one got passed, but a 16-year old should NOT be allowed to consent to having sex.

    Maybe our next new Governor will take that one on.




  6. #36

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Quote Originally Posted by df1570
    Hi guys (and gals) -- that "other site" devoted to Ravens coverage taught me the valuable lesson of NOT posting, so in my new role as "reader only", I'm much less involved. Nonetheless, I like what Tony has done with 24x7 and this site so I'm an occasional reader here.

    Having read everyone's thoughts and opinions on the Art Sinclair "issue", I think it's important to point out something that is in direct contrast to something that LarryLater posted. I don't do this to defend Art. What he did was wrong. He knows it was wrong. He was punished. He's paying his debt as the court deemed appropriate. But Art isn't here to defend himself against the lies, so I will.

    In one asinine sentence, LarryLater proved why message boards such as these can be VERY dangerous open forums. Hopefully Tony and his staff will take note of dumb behavior like this and figure out some way to more carefully review some of the nonsense (also called "lies") that people post.

    In Larry's rant, he threw a line in there about "molesting a child", connecting Art Sinclair with such an act.

    If you listened today. Really, truly listened, you would have heard the whole story. Art did NOT molest a child. Nothing of the sort happened. Art made contact with a young lady that he believed to be 18 (that's what she told him). Yes, she was 16. But - you sittin' down for this, all you parents of 16 year olds? - in our great state of Maryland, 16 is the LEGAL age for sexual consent. Great state we live in, eh?

    The young lady was NOT a minor (by law) and she was NOT a child.

    Art's home computer was confiscated and the obvious search was made to connect him in some way with "child pornography". No such content was found on his computer and no charges relating to "child pornography" were ever filed.

    Art plead guilty to, essentially, having sex with someone in public. That's it.
    I'm not downplaying it. But the truth is, that was the ONLY charge that ever made it to court. The four charges initially against him were, surprise, surprise, dropped when the District Attorney didn't have enough evidence to proceed with the case.

    He is not a registered sex offender in the state of Maryland. He is not a child molester. He is, though, a guy who had a sexual encounter with a 16-year old female while he was married and that is absolutely W-R-O-N-G. He knows it, you know it, we all know it. He plead guilty to having sex in a public place (unnatural act, the state calls it). Guess what? If you and your wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend etc. go out to dinner tonight and have a drink or two too many and decide you can't wait until you get home to "do your thing", if you decide to hop in the back seat of your car in the parking lot of the restaurant, you are committing a crime in this state, even if you're married and even if it's consensual.

    I've probably violated that law about 15 times in my life...just never with a 16-year old girl I met on-line. Any of you ever violate that law in your life? Show of hands, please. Thought so.

    So before you read LarryLater's drivel and assume he's speaking the gospel, please understand he doesn't know what he's talking about.

    Child molester? Nope. Guy who exercised extremely poor judgement and got caught and RIGHTFULLY paid the price for that transgression? Yes.

    OK, flame away. I'll put my reading glasses back on and return to my previous position as "reader only".
    Drew,

    I only caught a few minutes of the show today. Thanks for filling in the blanks.

    Your post should be the end of the story, but I have a feeling it won't be.

    I would hope that Art would be given every chance to redeem himself, much as Keith Mills has done/is doing.

    When can we expect the Schmuck article.
    She had me at "Hell, NO!"




  7. #37

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Art IS trying to redeem himself.

    He tried to do that today in some small way by advising anyone listening who might be involved in similar behavior to IMMEDIATELY seek counseling or contact him for information on how to reach a counselor who deals with sexual addiction.

    I hadn't seen or spoken to Art since "the incident" so today was my first time even talking with him directly about what happened. I didn't realize until today how sick he really was back then.

    I hope he turns his life around and does some good with it.




  8. #38

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Quote Originally Posted by df1570

    1 I'm far more "best served" to talk about and write about this than you, PP.

    2 You have an agenda, as usual. And when someone's ideas or comments don't mesh with yours, you attack. It's what you do best, actually.

    3 In reality, YOU are probably best served to sit this one out, not me.

    4 But, just like The Sun saw fit to give 28 column inches to Keith Mills last week to "tell his story", WNST saw fit to give Art Sinclair time today to "tell his story". There's no difference, really. Except The Sun costs you 50 cents.

    5 Once the football writings start again, PP, feel free to contribute.
    1. Ahh, I got it Drew. He's your buddy so you're gonna defend him. What if that was your younger sister Drew? Would you go to such lengths to find the silver linings in this shameful act?

    2. I don't have an agenda. I think the sports radio in this town is 2nd rate. I give examples to back my thoughts up. This is just another one. YOU inserted your thoughts on this matter and Im responding to them. Are you really that naive to think that nobody would take issue with you having him on the air? If you're gonna go to bat for your friend, you better be ready to take on some heat. I don't attack people Drew. I call them out when I think it's warranted. I've met many on this and the other board in person that I've disagreed with. We realize it's football. I wonder why it is I got a bunch of invites from the other board to come over here? Seems a bit odd considering the main point of this board was to get away from the mindles bickering and personal attacks that go on at YBR.

    3. I think I'll sit in on this one, thanks.

    4. And I think Mills is a chump for what he did and he's getting all sorts of perks the everyday Joe wouldn't get. I also realize Mills was taking pills, not getting oral sex from a 16 year old in a parking lot. Call me crazy but the latter sickens me a bit more.

    5. Thanks for letting me know where and when I can contribute Drew.

    Quote Originally Posted by df1570

    Maybe our next new Governor will take that one on.
    Yea, because he's done such a bang up job on crime in the city.


    PP
    Last edited by purplepoe; 08-30-2006 at 06:11 PM.




  9. #39

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

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    I'm NOT defending Art for what he did. Read this. Put your glasses on and READ THIS:

    What Art Sinclair did was WRONG. See that? W-R-O-N-G. If that were my sister, I'd be pissed off to no end.

    But, in our state, by the rules that some jack-asses made, the ONLY criminal misconduct was having sex in a public place.

    Silver linings? You ARE a lunatic. I didn't - and can't - find any silver lining in this except for THIS one thing. If someone today who heard the show changes their dangerous/reckless lifestyle because they heard Art Sinclair talk about how he wrecked his life, then something good came out of that show today.

    There's a difference between WRONG and BREAKING THE LAW (in our state).

    That's all I'm saying.

    I have no problem if you or anyone "takes issue" with my stance on this matter because my stance is this: "ART SINCLAIR WAS WRONG".

    And my stance is also this: "Our state legislators who passed the law stating that 16-year olds can consent to having sex were pieces-of-shit."

    Take issue with those two stances all you want.

    If you think Keith Mills is/was a chump because he had an addiction to pain killers, that's YOUR stance.
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    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    I think it's time to move this.
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  11. #41

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Quote Originally Posted by losac
    Lots of 18 year olds are still in high school. Most are 18 when they graduate. It's not unreasonable to think a girl you meet who says she is 18 is still a senior in HS.
    True.

    Alot are 18 when they graduate.

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    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    I have to admit that I lost a lot of respect for WNST for having a guy that was caught with an underaged girl via the internet. Knowing the dangers/victims of child sex predators via the internet, to have a guy come on the station to attempt to sugarcoat and even justify his actions is repulsive.

    Think that it could have been your daughter being lured by this guy. Sickening.

    To add, Art categorizes his actions as stemming from addictive behavior and loneliness. He also says that he is not attracted to underaged girls, yet he arranges to meet one. Sounds as if he has not learned anything from his counseling, and could very well repeat this offense. You don't seek the attention of an underaged person if you are not a child sex offender. Just because he wasn't convicted, does not mean he is not a child sex offender.
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  13. #43

    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Quote Originally Posted by df1570
    Maybe our next new Governor will take that one on.
    Well, Drew, since it's the General Assemby that passes such Laws, I don't think it has anything to do with who the Governor is.
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    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    To add, I find it a little disturbing that some of you guys are attempting to justify Art's actions. Whether this girl was 16 or 18, what Art did was wrong. Again I ask, what if it were your daughter or your niece? I don't think you would be as trivial.
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    Re: Nestor/NST reaches new low

    Lots of 18 year olds are still in high school. Most are 18 when they graduate. It's not unreasonable to think a girl you meet who says she is 18 is still a senior in HS.
    When I noted he picked her up from school, I realized she could have been 18 and still in school. My point was, HE IS A 61 YEAR OLD MAN PICKING UP A DATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEX FROM SCHOOL! Where I come from, we call that a red flag.

    The age of consent doesn't need to be moved. If a 16 year old and 18 year old are dating and have sex (I don't recommend it but ...) I do not think that 18 year old has committed a crime. Nor is that 18 year old's behavior odd or sick or twisted. But if the 18 year old is 61?




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