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  1. #16

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5



    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    How does Suggs get to be on the Heroes list? Despite the penalty, take that away for a second; what else did he do? There was no pass rush on Collins, especially on that last drive the defense caughed up the lead with.

    If you want to put someone on the Heroes list, how about Ngata and Bannon? At least they contributed to one of the turnovers for the Ravens Sunday.
    I saw Suggs' pressure, although not in the form of sacks. Collins was able to move around in the pocket But T-Sizzle forced more than a couple bad passes by Collins, the last being a would-be harmless pass forcing a would-be punt if it weren't for the errant whistle of a certified douchebag of an NFL official.

    He was right in the mix of things, believe me...His run support this game was exemplary...

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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Agree with Stinger.

    Take away the penalty and Suggs name is never mentioned.
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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Suggs as ever was bringing pressure all day long. I'm with Rav on this, he may not get to the QB for a sack as much as some folks would like but there's more to pressure than big sack numbers. Suggs brings it on every down, Sunday was another day at the office for him.

    Both teams are paid to play and adjust on the fly, the Titans did a good job of adjusting their passing plays and protection schemes to buy Collins time and move the pocket to avoid the pressure on the final drive, the credit goes to them rather than it being an indictment of our defence IMO.




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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    If "bringing it" means his least productive performance to date this season, then we are in agreement.

    3 tackles (2 solo and one assist) and no sacks and no QB knockdowns. 7 other players on the Ravens D had more tackles then Suggs on Sunday.
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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    If "bringing it" means his least productive performance to date this season, then we are in agreement.

    3 tackles (2 solo and one assist) and no sacks and no QB knockdowns. 7 other players on the Ravens D had more tackles then Suggs on Sunday.
    You have to know that a boxscore doesn't begin to tell the true story of a player's impact, right?

    Least productive? Numbers-wise, maybe. But numbers don't tell the whole story. Numbers are what you look up on NFL dot COM and make assumptions about because you didn't actually see a player perform in that game.

    I isolated T-Sizzle for at least 60-70% of the game and he was definitely on his game...Notice the double-team he was receiving when that atrocious roughing call was made. Teams don't normally tend to double-team guys who aren't productive.

    Sheesh...




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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    The Suggs glasses are out in full force yet again ...

    I am always scratching my head when someone with an obvious bias towards a player who isnt playing up to his potential always say "numbers dont show the whole story".

    Ok, so what DO they show? Because last I checked, LB's of Suggs ilk are judged on their sack totals, pressure on the QB, tackles, etc. It's what THEY use when they are negotiationg contracts, showing how valuable they are to the team, etc. Yet, when it comes down to evaluating the player on our end, they mysteriously become invalid and incomplete.

    Suggs had a sub-par game. Period. I know you two jock him pretty hard, but I mean this is a pretty obvious call.

    Agree to disagree. But to say he was the hero on D negates the efforts of the 7 other defensive players who had better games.
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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    How many sacks does Freeney have? Jared Allen, Julius Peppers? John Abraham leads the NFL and Joey Porter is right behind him.

    Sacks are not what measures a guys ability. Too many other factors play in to it. Suggs has drawn double teams on almost every passing down and still got pressure and maintained his outside contain responsibility. he has not been beaten on any cutback runs or reverses, waggles or boots.
    He is doing his job, and so is the defense, that like I said is #1 in the NFL in yards, points, passing and rushing.

    I know it is disapointing to see them give up drives at the end of games, but that happens. They are still #1 even with that factored in. Suggs is a big part of that.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    How many sacks does Freeney have? Jared Allen, Julius Peppers? John Abraham leads the NFL and Joey Porter is right behind him.

    Sacks are not what measures a guys ability. Too many other factors play in to it. Suggs has drawn double teams on almost every passing down and still got pressure and maintained his outside contain responsibility. he has not been beaten on any cutback runs or reverses, waggles or boots.
    He is doing his job, and so is the defense, that like I said is #1 in the NFL in yards, points, passing and rushing.

    I know it is disapointing to see them give up drives at the end of games, but that happens. They are still #1 even with that factored in. Suggs is a big part of that.
    Stop using logic, Jeremiah... I give up on this HoustonRaven cat...

    He seems to think insulting folks gives his point of view more validity.

    Best to puttem on ignore.

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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Guys I rewatched the game and although I wasn't focused on the DL pressure, I did not think Suggs was doubleteamed that much. Filmstudy you will know. I noticed Pryce was DTed a lot.

    I think that Suggs is definitely in the Top 10 of DEs (Hybrid LBs) in the NFL, maybe even in the Top 5, but if he demands Freeney money, who I think was overpaid, I would have to take a pass on Suggs. Ray needed a big guy to keep him away from blockers for him to shine. We got Ngata and Ray looks like the 2000 version of 52 this year. I am afraid that Suggs needs a Pryce like linemen thats gets pressure and forces offenses to doubleteam him. This allows Suggs to see a lot more one on ones against the OTs. Unfortunately Pryce is getting old, and his skills arent a dime a dozen. In general, we gotta equip Flacco with some better offensive talent moving forward, and spend some more money on that side (and more wisely.... McGahee contract ). Sure our D is going to suffer a little, but we gotta be able to score more points. The future Ravens' D may give up 17-20 points/game, but hopefully our O can score 24.




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    That's the beauty of Suggs...He also drops back into pass coverage, and is getting pretty good at that, too...At this point in the season, he's right on track for a Pro Bowl invite. A homegrown playmaking sack artist who stuffs the run and is capable of dropping into coverage is a player I want on my team.

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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52 View Post
    Stop using logic, Jeremiah... I give up on this HoustonRaven cat...

    He seems to think insulting folks gives his point of view more validity.

    Best to puttem on ignore.
    What did I say that was insulting?
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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    I went back and looked, and I can't find where Suggs was putting pressure on Collins at any point except for the blown ref call. Other than that he was nowhere near the ball all game. And for that matter not much near Collins for a good chunk of that game.

    BTW, he only had 2 tackles the entire game too, less than Douglass, Reed, and Scott.

    I'm not sure where this is coming from.




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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Look at the game tapes, not the CBS broadcast... Or better yet, NFL Live probably has a breakdown of the action. Admittedly, we rushed 4 most of the time, but I distinctively remember Suggs' pursuit causing Collins to jump forward in the pocket and release an errant pass, which C-Mac picked off. His tackle for a 5-yard loss was a big momentum shifter and... okay, I'm done with the play-by-play.

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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    According to the box score he had 3 ... not that one tackle really means a whole lot more. Just finished watching the TiVo of the game myself and I too didnt see any sort of double team, Suggs putting pressure on Collins, etc.

    I know where this is coming from. They have a man crush on Suggs. I am guilty of it too -- I have strong opinions of number 52.

    We all seem to agree Suggs is an elite LB in this league.

    What seems to be the sticking point is that if you point out a sub-par performance, you have committed the message board equivalent of calling their mothers a whore.
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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    According to the box score he had 3 ... not that one tackle really means a whole lot more. Just finished watching the TiVo of the game myself and I too didnt see any sort of double team, Suggs putting pressure on Collins, etc.

    I know where this is coming from. They have a man crush on Suggs. I am guilty of it too -- I have strong opinions of number 52.

    We all seem to agree Suggs is an elite LB in this league.

    What seems to be the sticking point is that if you point out a sub-par performance, you have committed the message board equivalent of calling their mothers a whore.
    That is not even close. It is about perspective. Did our defense play a great game, in my view yes, and Suggs was a big part of it.

    When you break down one drive in the game that was added 15 yards on 3rd down with a bogus penalty, yuo can find mistakes. What did they do the rest of the day though? That matters too or we never would have been in positon to win with one more stop.

    You are not the only ones upset at the outcome, but when you start nitpicking the top rated defense in the NFL, I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture.

    This reminds me of all the Samari Rolle bashing that was going on in 2006. You would think he was the worst DB in the NFL the way the fans complained about him, but as soon as he got hurt, we could not cover anyone.

    If we do not have Suggs out there, perhaps we can not stop the run or get pressure on QBs. The Ravens are forcing every Qb they play into a very bad day, but Ben and the Titans made the one drive at the end of the game.

    Did anyone else see Suggs getting held while he "roughed Collins" or the takedown of Ray Lewis by Maway on the pass to Bo. He just grabbed him and tackled him on the blitz. The Ravens have to get some of those calls in order to get the stop, or they need to get some more points, so one drive does not beat them.




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