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Thread: Heroes and Goats...Week 5
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10-07-2008, 12:52 PM #25
Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5
That's the beauty of Suggs...He also drops back into pass coverage, and is getting pretty good at that, too...At this point in the season, he's right on track for a Pro Bowl invite. A homegrown playmaking sack artist who stuffs the run and is capable of dropping into coverage is a player I want on my team.
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10-07-2008, 12:54 PM #26Legendary RSR Poster
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10-07-2008, 03:55 PM #27
Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5
I went back and looked, and I can't find where Suggs was putting pressure on Collins at any point except for the blown ref call. Other than that he was nowhere near the ball all game. And for that matter not much near Collins for a good chunk of that game.
BTW, he only had 2 tackles the entire game too, less than Douglass, Reed, and Scott.
I'm not sure where this is coming from.
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10-07-2008, 04:01 PM #28
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Look at the game tapes, not the CBS broadcast... Or better yet, NFL Live probably has a breakdown of the action. Admittedly, we rushed 4 most of the time, but I distinctively remember Suggs' pursuit causing Collins to jump forward in the pocket and release an errant pass, which C-Mac picked off. His tackle for a 5-yard loss was a big momentum shifter and... okay, I'm done with the play-by-play.
Read the disclaimer at the top of this thread...:celery
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10-07-2008, 04:02 PM #29Legendary RSR Poster
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According to the box score he had 3 ... not that one tackle really means a whole lot more. Just finished watching the TiVo of the game myself and I too didnt see any sort of double team, Suggs putting pressure on Collins, etc.
I know where this is coming from. They have a man crush on Suggs. I am guilty of it too -- I have strong opinions of number 52.
We all seem to agree Suggs is an elite LB in this league.
What seems to be the sticking point is that if you point out a sub-par performance, you have committed the message board equivalent of calling their mothers a whore.
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10-07-2008, 04:26 PM #30
Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5
That is not even close. It is about perspective. Did our defense play a great game, in my view yes, and Suggs was a big part of it.
When you break down one drive in the game that was added 15 yards on 3rd down with a bogus penalty, yuo can find mistakes. What did they do the rest of the day though? That matters too or we never would have been in positon to win with one more stop.
You are not the only ones upset at the outcome, but when you start nitpicking the top rated defense in the NFL, I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture.
This reminds me of all the Samari Rolle bashing that was going on in 2006. You would think he was the worst DB in the NFL the way the fans complained about him, but as soon as he got hurt, we could not cover anyone.
If we do not have Suggs out there, perhaps we can not stop the run or get pressure on QBs. The Ravens are forcing every Qb they play into a very bad day, but Ben and the Titans made the one drive at the end of the game.
Did anyone else see Suggs getting held while he "roughed Collins" or the takedown of Ray Lewis by Maway on the pass to Bo. He just grabbed him and tackled him on the blitz. The Ravens have to get some of those calls in order to get the stop, or they need to get some more points, so one drive does not beat them.
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Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5
I've given up complaining about holding. All you ever hear in response is "It evens itself out" and "If they called every hold the game would go on forever" and whilst I've applied perfectly logical arguments which counter those fallacies, people just don't want to hear it. It seems like, unless the D is making a big hit, people just don't want to watch a good defensive game, it's all about high-scoring shootouts because people have the attention span of gnats and want pretty passes to keep them amused. So you get columnists like Michael Silver saying that the Ravens play boring football because we run and play defense.
I mean, half the time I wonder if the NFL didn't send a memo to officials telling them not to bother calling holding unless it's really flagrant, because it's getting ridiculous.
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10-07-2008, 04:46 PM #32
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10-07-2008, 04:53 PM #33
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That is why I have argued to just allow the holding that is called inconsitantly now, but eliminate all cut blocks in excahnge.
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10-07-2008, 07:25 PM #34
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