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    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5



    I've given up complaining about holding. All you ever hear in response is "It evens itself out" and "If they called every hold the game would go on forever" and whilst I've applied perfectly logical arguments which counter those fallacies, people just don't want to hear it. It seems like, unless the D is making a big hit, people just don't want to watch a good defensive game, it's all about high-scoring shootouts because people have the attention span of gnats and want pretty passes to keep them amused. So you get columnists like Michael Silver saying that the Ravens play boring football because we run and play defense.

    I mean, half the time I wonder if the NFL didn't send a memo to officials telling them not to bother calling holding unless it's really flagrant, because it's getting ridiculous.




  2. #32

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    I've given up complaining about holding. All you ever hear in response is "It evens itself out" and "If they called every hold the game would go on forever" and whilst I've applied perfectly logical arguments which counter those fallacies, people just don't want to hear it. It seems like, unless the D is making a big hit, people just don't want to watch a good defensive game, it's all about high-scoring shootouts because people have the attention span of gnats and want pretty passes to keep them amused. So you get columnists like Michael Silver saying that the Ravens play boring football because we run and play defense.

    I mean, half the time I wonder if the NFL didn't send a memo to officials telling them not to bother calling holding unless it's really flagrant, because it's getting ridiculous.
    Word.

    This defense is the only reason we ain't 0-4. Please Believe that.




  3. #33

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    That is why I have argued to just allow the holding that is called inconsitantly now, but eliminate all cut blocks in excahnge.




  4. #34

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    That is why I have argued to just allow the holding that is called inconsitantly now, but eliminate all cut blocks in excahnge.
    It's frustrating, but I think your solution may be just a tad extreme...

    Maybe the should just receive better training and practice calling games instead of it being essentially a part-time job.




  5. #35

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52 View Post
    *The opinions expressed in my weekly thread are mine alone, but are probably endorsed by the majority of level-headed, even-keeled Ravens fans...

    HEROES:

    1) Le'Ron McClain- A premium blend of shifty elusiveness and smashmouth ground & pound, he is quickly becoming my favorite Ravens back. Another week, another touchdown...

    2) Ray Lewis- You are timeless and playing some of the best football I have ever seen you play...A healthy #52 is more than worth his weight in gold, even in these harsh economic times...

    3) Todd Heap- Welcome back, HEEEEEAAAAPP! Hopefully yesterday's performance is a harbinger of you returning to Pro Bowl form on a more consistent basis.

    4) Derrick Mason- A first down machine who I've come to admire for his sheer will to get to the ball and gain yardage afterwards. Are you sure you're 34-years-old?

    5) Terrell Suggs- Nevermind the senseless roughing call of an effeminate referee, you simply harass the QB non-stop all game and cause him to make mistakes...Now if only said effiminate referee would learn to recognize and call "holding" on the O-linemen, you'd truly be unstoppable.


    GOATS:

    1) NFL Officiating- Dude, I don't know who you are or where you live, but when every sports highlight program unanimously agrees that your roughing call was a load of fertilizer, you may want to consider a) Stronger glasses or b) Another vocation. Overall, I'd rate the officiating of yesterdays game a D-minus

    2) Matt Stover- Brother, I love you to death and for a long time you have been the primary source of offense for this team, but I'm getting pretty worried that your accuracy isn't what it once was. Notice that we've lost the past two games by a FG each time and I think you understand where I'm coming from.

    3) Yamon Figurs- Since returning from your injury, you've been an indecisive basketcase. With a limited offense, we NEED you to perform up to your potential!

    4) Coach Harbaugh- Another week, another overabundance of silly penalties and personal fouls. Don't even get me started on wasting timeouts in consecutive games because we can't get plays run on time...Up your game, coach...I know you have it in you...

    5) Joe Flacco- Listen man, I understand better than anyone that you're a rookie, but the offense has been Dilfer-ized especially for you, so that you DON'T throw the game away with that strong arm of yours. Work on your decision making and stop randomly reverting to a Division I-AA QB, especially when coverage on our receivers is good. I'll tell you this: I'd much rather see Bazooka Joe or even The Average Joe out there than "Sloppy" Joe...

    Great post. I have to disagree about Figurs though. The special teams haven't done any decent blocking for him lately. I don't think anyone short of Devin Hester could do much better with what he's had to work with.




  6. #36

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by UKRavenStockers View Post
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    Both teams are paid to play and adjust on the fly, the Titans did a good job of adjusting their passing plays and protection schemes to buy Collins time and move the pocket to avoid the pressure on the final drive, the credit goes to them rather than it being an indictment of our defence IMO.
    This is the first time I've heard anyone give credit to the Titans line and it is deserved. They did an excellent job of protecting Collins. Way better than any team we've faced this year.




  7. #37

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lap View Post
    Great post. I have to disagree about Figurs though. The special teams haven't done any decent blocking for him lately. I don't think anyone short of Devin Hester could do much better with what he's had to work with.
    You could be right, Sir!

    I just think the past couple of games that he's looked jittery and uncertain back there. The feet shuffling is reminiscent of Jamal Lewis and upon catching the ball, I've noticed that he actually takes a step or two BACKWARDS...

    I know he has Top 5 talent in him; We've all seen him at his best and that's damn good. He has the ability to single-handedly change the face of a Ravens game when he's "on"... I know that a bogus penalty kept him from the end zone earlier this season, but since then it's been slim pickings for Yamon.

    Bottom line is we know both our overall offense and special teams units need to step up NOW.




  8. #38

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lap View Post
    This is the first time I've heard anyone give credit to the Titans line and it is deserved. They did an excellent job of protecting Collins. Way better than any team we've faced this year.
    They do deserve most of the credit more than the Ravens deserve blame, but some of the holding they got away with late in the game was blatant.

    Ray Lewis got flat out tackled by the C on the key pass play to Bo Scaif.

    Suggs was being held when he got flagged for malice in the heart. Not the old fasioned holding either where they have you by the numbers. I feel like you deserve to be held if the grab you there, but the grabbing of the outside of the shoulder pads and rolling a guy to the ground is so blatant, I can not see how they blew that call, or how we never seem to get it. What is holding?




  9. #39

    Re: Heroes and Goats...Week 5

    All it proves it that one bad call can change the MOMENTUM of a game for better or worse. It may not seem important, but that blatantly incorrect roughing call totally shifted the course of the game in the Titans favor and they made the most of it.

    Let's go to Indy next week, where I'm almost positive Peyton Manning will receive similar treatment. I'm calling on our offense and special teams to step up to the plate and for Coach Harbaugh to ensure we're ready to execute.




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