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  1. #16
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    Re: The Suggs penalty



    It continued:

    David says:
    NE just direct snapped to RB Kevin Faulk on 4th and 2 from the goalline to score a TD.
    Tobias says:
    HAHAHA, ok, so now everyone's doing it
    Tobias says:
    I hope the Bears do it next week
    Tobias says:
    Faulk got two TDs in this game
    David says:
    I hope the Ravens do it against the Colts next week. Punch it in with McClain for the TD, then there'll be a phantom roughing the passer penalty on Terrell Suggs negating the play.
    Tobias says:
    lol, cut that shit out!




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    and finally:

    Tobias says:
    christ, WTF is with this Bills/Cards game?
    Tobias says:
    Must be the loss of Edwards
    David says:
    I don't know. Watching the Pats, the Zona game is blacked out on Gamepass in the UK.
    David says:
    Probably something to do with a phantom roughing the passer penalty on Terrell Suggs.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    The referee attempts to explain this using the "5-15" rule.

    There still would have been 5 minutes left but it was a momentum changer.

    There was an obvious PI on Ravens 41 that wasn't called right after the blown INT call. Dude never even turned his head...that was clearly the proverbial 'make up' call.

    This game was poorly called from start to finish.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    Don't remember this from last week, but it's my understanding that the Ref's call this a "five and 15" situation. The false start is ignored and the personal foul is enforced.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    It'd seem there's been a few penalties called this way over the season, here's the transcript from the NFL gamebook of the Cowboys vs Eagles MNF game:

    PENALTY on
    PHI-58-T.Cole, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at DAL 43 - No Play.
    Penalty on DAL-89-T.Curtis, False Start, superseded.
    Seems that the 5 vs 15 penalty does apply, but it still strikes as it coming down the inability of the officiating crew to whistle a play dead. It'd seem that if it occurs, the 5 vs 15 does apply, but if the officiating crew does their job the 15 yard penalty shouldn't have a chance to occur.




  6. Re: The Suggs penalty

    That's correct.
    They played an interview with the ref in question on the post game show I listened to on the ride home.
    False start is called. If the players continue the play then they let it play out. If let's say the Titans would have completed the big pass play it would have been negated.

    The officials should have stepped in and blown the play dead.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mwjergs View Post
    That's correct.
    They played an interview with the ref in question on the post game show I listened to on the ride home.
    False start is called. If the players continue the play then they let it play out. If let's say the Titans would have completed the big pass play it would have been negated.

    The officials should have stepped in and blown the play dead.
    That is a such a bullshit rule becuase if they would have thrown a pick it would not count due to the play truly never occuring. The NFL needs to fix this like yesterday, but besides that there should never have been a flag as it was beyond one of the worst calls of the year (besides the Ed.H call in the Denver game)
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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    It makes perfect sense to me to allow personal foul penalties to be called on dead plays. Otherwise you're saying Suggs could have picked up the QB and broken him over one knee and not get a flag because "the play was dead".

    My problem with the call is that THEY BLEW IT. He didn't touch the QB's helmet, his hand came down on Collins' shoulderpad. Just a miserable miserable call.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    There are too many bad calls in the NFL for all of this to be a coincidence. It only takes one referee to make one game changing call. And, if you notice, they are always in the 4th quarter when the other team has no time to recover. Teams in the NFL are fairly evenly matched and there was only a 2.5 point spread. Tennessee won by 3 points. I say no more. No, I say some of these refs are on the take, and you know what I mean.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by UKRavenStockers View Post
    Seems that the 5 vs 15 penalty does apply, but it still strikes as it coming down the inability of the officiating crew to whistle a play dead. It'd seem that if it occurs, the 5 vs 15 does apply, but if the officiating crew does their job the 15 yard penalty shouldn't have a chance to occur.
    It would seem to me, with a false start and a personal foul, they are *both* dead ball fouls, for different reasons. But a false start should not preclude a subsequent penalty on the same play that would be in the class of personal fouls.

    Obviously the call was complete bullshit; I'm just trying to respond to this one point you're making.
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  11. Re: The Suggs penalty

    Once the flag was thrown they needed to blow the play dead. They did not and you had the stupidity unfold.

    If they make the right call the game is over.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    I have never seen them let a play continue after a false start. Regardless of what happens, they always whistle the play dead. Now, I didn't see the Suggs hit, but these refs are clearly either on dope or in on the whole thing. Now I know how SD fans feel




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensInBrazil View Post
    I have never seen them let a play continue after a false start. Regardless of what happens, they always whistle the play dead. Now, I didn't see the Suggs hit, but these refs are clearly either on dope or in on the whole thing. Now I know how SD fans feel
    I see plenty of plays "happen" after a false start, or rather the scorer notes them down but they're usually run plays and they stop quickly. However the play doesn't actually "happen", in these cases the head linesman or the side judge (think I've got the right officials there) are usually running in from the sideline signalling for a clock stoppage to call the dead ball foul and the play just goes through because they couldn't hear the whistle. But until this play yesterday and the same on Monday night against the Steelers I don't think I've ever seen them not even attempt to whistle a false start as dead.




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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    How many plays were there between the penalty and the final TD?

    Some perspective on the penalty. While it was a 100% momentum killer, it wasnt the end of the game and NOTHING like what happened to SD.

    Supremely bad call? YES!

    Cost us the game? Not by a long shot.

    Our D still had a chance to stop them and they didnt.
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    Re: The Suggs penalty

    That was absolute bullshit. The penalty should never have been called because the play never should have been run, and for the SIMPLE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH HIS HELMET. FUCK THE REF'S! I am so tired of them fucking games up, they should have there game checks taken away when they ruin the game!
    Agreed!!! I was like what the fuck!!!
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