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  1. #31
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    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength



    Quote Originally Posted by BirdFan
    Actually, we've seen him try it twice...once in the scrimmage against the ***skins and once in the 1st preseason game. Both attempts were butt ugly.
    I know, I saw those two, but I figure most would agree with me when I say that two throws are most definitely not enough attempts to come to the conclusion that he can't throw deep!
    ''You'd love to go on the first day but I'm glad for the situation I'm in,'' he said. ''Baltimore knows how to play defense.''




  2. #32

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    Disagree...those two were enough that the coaches took deep throws out of the playbook. We haven't even seen an attempt since then.




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    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T

    How about we just all stick to the script here on the new board and debate the opinions expressed, not going after the person who expressed them.

    Can I get an 'amen' ? I have said this before here and it bears repeating...

    Avoid the use of the second-person singular, and the civility quotient will stay high.
    ENFORCE THE 1ST AMENDMENT WITH THE SECOND, NEVER DISARM




  4. #34

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    The ignore list works well too.

    BTW, something that should motivate everyone to keep it civil. Look over at our former board and see the absolute cluster-fuck that it has become in the last 24-36 hours. It's an absolute embarassment to watch so-called Ravens fans tear into each other like they are.

    I just know I'm glad I'm here.
    Last edited by StingerNLG; 08-26-2006 at 11:07 PM.




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    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG
    The ignore list works well too.

    BTW, something that should motivate everyone to keep it civil. Look over at our former board and see the absolute cluster-fuck that it has become in the last 24-36 hours. It's an absolute embarassment to watch so-called Ravens fans tear into each other like they are.

    I just know I'm glad I'm here.
    Its funny reading




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    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    This team will run a ball controlled Offense, why does McNair need to be throwing 40 or 50 yard bombs. McNair does not have Boller's arm. Do you guys forget who won us the Superbowl? Dilfer had no arm strength. We will run a similar Offense centered around our running game. McNair has been throwing some accurate deep passes in practice and in camp, he hit Mason in mini-camps for a TD torching C-Mac a few months ago. He did'nt lose substancial arm strength overnight.




  7. #37

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    This team will run a ball controlled Offense, why does McNair need to be throwing 40 or 50 yard bombs.
    Because ball control by itself doesn't translate into wins. Again I'd like to point out that our 1st team offense scored 3 points in the last 2 games. 3 points with drives that stalled.

    And as Minnesota did, and the Bucs will do, they'll put 8 in the box and plug up the short routes so that Mason and Clayton can't get their YAC. Just like they couldn't get any YAC Friday night. And unless that changes, defenses will play us like they did last year.

    I said in the offseason teams will gameplan to attack this offensive line because they know it's not that good. The Vikings did it. And everyone who looks at gamefilm will see it.




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    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    And as Minnesota did, and the Bucs will do, they'll put 8 in the box and plug up the short routes so that Mason and Clayton can't get their YAC. Just like they couldn't get any YAC Friday night. And unless that changes, defenses will play us like they did last year.
    You are putting way too much stock into the preseason. They ran a Extremely Vanilla Offense for a reason Friday Night. Why throw everything but the kitchen sink at the Vikings in a meaningless game, that would just give Monte Kiffin a greater advantage for a Defensive Gameplan against us.




  9. #39

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    I put too much stock in watching our offensive line get once again pushed around by the 21st ranked defense in the league. I'm putting stock in Monte Kiffen gameplanning to attack the right side of our offensive line and bottling up the run. With 7 years of offensive line problems, I'm not discounting what I'm seeing in pre-season either.




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    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    I put too much stock in watching our offensive line get once again pushed around by the 21st ranked defense in the league.
    I don't think that defense is going to be ranked 21st again this year. The Vikes have the potential to be pretty good this year.

    Having said that, it doesn't excuse the piss-poor play of the O-line, who mailed it in on Friday night. Deep balls aren't going to happen when McNair has a blitzing lineman in his face before he can set his feet.

    While Fassel wants to keep things relatively vanilla and not give the Bucs too much inclination as to our gameplan, the pre-season still exists to get players in game shape and allow teams to practice execution. I would therefore expect to see more than ONE attempt at a deep ball from McNair so far. The current play calling would suggest the coaching staff's belief that increased efficiency is all we need. The fact that the Vikings cottoned on to this line of thought early, shut us down and we had no plan B HAS to be a concern, coupled with the two deep balls that have fluttered on McNair in this pre-season. If nothing else, a nice 40 yard completion down the sideline to Mason this week might at least keep the Bucs from stacking the box from the get-go on Sep 10.




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    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    I think tonights game proved that McNair still has good arm strength and can throw the ball deep. Case Closed!!




  12. #42

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    I think tonights game proved that McNair still has good arm strength and can throw the ball deep.
    YAC. The pass was only about 15 yards. It worked, though, so I'm not unhappy. In fact, I'm delighted to see some YAC.
    Oderint dum metuant




  13. #43

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    YAC. The pass was only about 15 yards.
    ??? Not sure why it's worth discussing now, but Devard got only about 5 yards after the catch (not sure where you're getting 20 from).

    I wouldn't call the pass a bomb, but it was still a very solid 30+ yard throw. And the pass to Clayton was a 20yd laser in the air, as he caught it about 5 into the EZ (and obviously there weren't any YAC on that play).

    I wouldn't credit, the "big" gains on that drive to YAC.




  14. #44

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    Amazing how many pot shots people STILL take on Boller and he's not even the starter. Amazing.




  15. #45

    Re: The debate has just begun: arm strength

    Amazing how many pot shots people STILL take on Boller and he's not even the starter. Amazing
    So what stinger. It really shouldn't bother you. Even Todd heap said that Mcnair throws a "catch able ball". I also heard a sound byte on Sirius from billick this morning saying that the ravens finally have a real QB since he has been the coach of the ravens. You might think its a pot shot but its just an honest observation.




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