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  1. #16
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    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD



    Per good ole wikipedia:

    End-around:
    The end-around is a play in which a wide receiver crosses the backfield towards the opposite end of the line and receives a handoff directly from the quarterback. The receiver then may proceed to do one of two things: he either runs the ball towards the line of scrimmage in order to gain yardage, or more rarely, attempts to pass to another eligible pass receiver.

    Mason receiving the handoff from Flacco was an end-around.

    Reverse:
    A classic reverse typically begins as a end-around, but before the ball-carrier crosses the line of scrimmage he hands the ball off to a teammate, usually a wide receiver, running in the reverse (opposite) direction.

    Clayton taking Mason's no look pitch was a reverse.

    Double Reverse:
    A variation of this play is a double reverse, in which the second ball-carrier takes the ball all or part way back across the field before he too hands off to a teammate running in the opposite direction.

    Clayton never handed the ball off.

    Terminology:

    Sometimes an end-around, in which the only handoff is from a stationary quarterback to a wide receiver, is imprecisely called a "reverse". An end-around is not a reverse because the lateral flow of the play does not change direction. However, it has become commonplace for fans, sportswriters, announcers, and even coaches and players to refer to any end-around as a 'reverse', and to an end-around reverse as a 'double reverse.'




  2. #17

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    Those know-nothings with the NFL are also calling it a double-reverse...

    (2:27) 89-M.Clayton left end for 42 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Mark Clayton scores on double reverse from Derrick Mason.

    That's from the official Gamebook account of the game.




  3. #18

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    Quote Originally Posted by shaslers View Post
    Those know-nothings with the NFL are also calling it a double-reverse...

    (2:27) 89-M.Clayton left end for 42 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Mark Clayton scores on double reverse from Derrick Mason.

    That's from the official Gamebook account of the game.
    Pffffff! I trust wikipedia more than the NFL. If anyone would know football, it is clearly wikipedia.
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  4. #19

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    For the record, I was fullly in the signel reversse camp, btu then I heard Cam on MASN last night call it a double reverse himself. I guess from the horses mouth is good enough for me.




  5. #20

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave View Post
    Pffffff! I trust wikipedia more than the NFL. If anyone would know football, it is clearly wikipedia.
    I just spit out my drink. Thanks! That has to be the funniest comment of the day. If you don't mind I'm giong to borrow that for my sig.
    Pffffff! I trust wikipedia more than the NFL. If anyone would know football, it is clearly wikipedia.
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  6. #21

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    I am honored.
    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman!




  7. #22

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    For the record, I was fullly in the signel reversse camp, btu then I heard Cam on MASN last night call it a double reverse himself. I guess from the horses mouth is good enough for me.
    I would be lying if I said I did not feel vindicated. I am going to go have victory sex with my wife now.
    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman!




  8. #23

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave
    I would be lying if I said I did not feel vindicated. I am going to go have victory sex with my wife now.
    Hey, I feel vindicated too -- post again when your wife is available.




  9. #24

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    HAHAHAHA! I can not believe I left that one hanging out there. Way to swing for the fences my friend.
    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman!




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    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    who cares I call it a TD
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  11. #26

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    I wonder if it's a historical quirk. Logically it makes no sense, but if it was always that way ("end around" being a new name for a play that used to be called a "reverse"?), I guess that's good enough.
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    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  12. Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    We scored! I don't care what you name it.

    I shuddered when I saw Page Two in the headline that "Boston on the Brain" Bill Simmons was writing this.

    But, great point Greg by mentioning something that didn't happen that could have.
    I would have enjoyed that hot sunny day but it could have rained. Great analysis.




  13. #28

    Re: For those arguing about the Clayton TD

    I guess that such a big deal is being made about that particular play because the Ravens score so infrequently that we need to get the full amount of mileage out of each and every TD!!

    UNLEASH THE BEASTS!!!!




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