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    It would be great to see the first good Baltimore QB since Unitas and Bert Jones. Flacco could develop that way, but, then again, you can't tell much from the performance against the clueless Bengals. Many good signs were there -- especially poise in the pocket and reading his receivers. But he also missed on some easy throws that could have bown the game wide open.

    Not to rain on anyone's parade (I, too, was joining in the "Let's Go Flacco!" mania cheers yesterday) -- but his first performance wasn't too different than Kyle Boller's start against a much better Stillers defense on the road. No INTs, but low completion %, not particularly aggressive.

    In any event, he performed well enough to keep the starter's job -- unless this game was a fluke or he is injured, all the message board excitement over hiring backups, Smith's health, and Boller's surgery has become irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Puppy View Post
    I expect the coaching staff to get Smith in as soon as healthy.
    Ummm.

    Why would you exepect that?

    The Flacco era has begun.

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    On what grounds? Tell me what Flacco did on Sunday to warrant losing the job.
    Bingo, we finally agree on something. I'm excited to see him continue as the Ravens starter.
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    Re: Does Baltimore have a true NFL quarterback

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Puppy View Post
    I expect the coaching staff to get Smith in as soon as healthy.
    I disagree with this totally. Initially, I was a big proponent of starting Smith; however, I think it would be a huge mistake to start Smith over Flacco now. Joe seems to respond very favorably to increased playing time, and does not get ruffled. OJT is the best thing for him to develop, so keep rolling him out there!
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    Re: Does Baltimore have a true NFL quarterback

    Joe had a great start. Let's just let him grow. I do think he has a bright future. If he can stay healthy.





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    Re: Does Baltimore have a true NFL quarterback

    Quote Originally Posted by Sports Steve View Post
    Joe had a great start. Let's just let him grow. I do think he has a bright future. If he can stay healthy.

    Just like every other NFL player on the league. This pretty much goes without saying.

    Said it before the season started and will say it again. Once Smith went down and Flacco was named the starting QB, you need to start him the whole season. "Benching" him now, IMO, would be way worse on him psychologically than leaving him out there and taking his lumps. The Kid has shown everyone that he is getting better and better.




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    Re: Does Baltimore have a true NFL quarterback

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    but his first performance wasn't too different than Kyle Boller's start against a much better Stillers defense on the road. No INTs, but low completion %, not particularly aggressive..
    What? I don't really remember too much about that game, and am too lazy to look up Boller's stat line, but I do remember he looked like a deer in the headlights for that whole game, and the Steelers dominated us. Flacco showed yesterday what Boller could never even show after 5 years: poise. He just seems to have "it", something intangible.

    I agree that we shouldn't be annointing him the next Johnny U yet, and his next test comes next week on the road, but I think everyone should feel more excited about this kid's upside than in '03 with Boller.

    And as an aside, I think I saw you yesterday Mista T. In the Ostend/Sharp street lot. I was in the middle of a conversation though so it would have been rude of me to shout across the lot at you.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Puppy View Post
    This was the Cincinnati Bengals we were playing, not the Steelers. I will temper my enthusiasm and see if he can be consistent. I expect the coaching staff to get Smith in as soon as healthy.
    what a joke, Smith has NEVER in his life had a performance like this. Why would the coaches go to a QB that is afraid to throw the ball, and has put up two halfs with less then 10 yards passing.... It's not liek he is much more experienced, and he has a FAR lower ceiling... There is NO REASOn to bench Flacco at this point, Injury only, heaven forbid.




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    Re: Does Baltimore have a true NFL quarterback

    Maybe I'm missing something. Flacco is now only 1 game away from equally Troy Smith in terms of playing time. He is, at this point, at least as good at Smith running this offense. He is the guy now, Harbs may as well just make official.




  10. #25

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    We're winning with Flacco now, not despite him. Until he starts costing us games, he should be starting.

    Get rid of his stat-line and look at what he did on the field. The kid is a winner plain and simple, not a role player like the last guy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    What? I don't really remember too much about that game, and am too lazy to look up Boller's stat line, but I do remember he looked like a deer in the headlights for that whole game, and the Steelers dominated us. Flacco showed yesterday what Boller could never even show after 5 years: poise. He just seems to have "it", something intangible.

    I agree that we shouldn't be annointing him the next Johnny U yet, and his next test comes next week on the road, but I think everyone should feel more excited about this kid's upside than in '03 with Boller.

    And as an aside, I think I saw you yesterday Mista T. In the Ostend/Sharp street lot. I was in the middle of a conversation though so it would have been rude of me to shout across the lot at you.
    Exactly.

    The differences between Flacco's poise and pocket presence vs Boller's in their first games couldn't be more different.

    If Heap catches that ball in the endzone and/or Rice catches that pass across the middle, Flacco's numbers could have gone from what they were to 17-29 for @ 200 yds and a 2 TD.

    Starting out at home was a huge advantage for him, no doubt. But his performance blew Boller's 1st game out of the water. Sure, if you put the numbers up (I haven't looked at Boller's line from that game) they probably look similar. Similar and completely misleading.

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    Re: Does Baltimore have a true NFL quarterback

    I think we have seen enough QB busts on teams to know that Flacco even at this early stage is above the learning curve of alot of rookie QB's starting on opening day.

    Real tests will come.And there will be some ups and downs along the way.
    But the kid has put his own stamp on this team and the crowd watching in M&T.

    We are due,I hope and pray that all the pieces fall into place and that the No5 Raven jersey will become a best seller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    Flacco showed yesterday what Boller could never even show after 5 years: poise. He just seems to have "it", something intangible.

    I agree that we shouldn't be annointing him the next Johnny U yet, and his next test comes next week on the road, but I think everyone should feel more excited about this kid's upside than in '03 with Boller.
    I am cautiously optimistic (and to myself, dreaming of Flacco leading us to the Super Bowl with a 120 QB rating). But there's a little too much hyperbole when we judge QBs. Boller was not as bad as many portrayed him. Smith is not the next coming of the Messiah. Flacco was decent yesterday, but showed a lot of room for improvement.

    And I struggle with accepring the the "it" factor for a rookie. I look at "it" as a QB whose on the field success exceeds his physical abilities. Yeah, Johhny U had "it". So did Bart Starr, Billy Kilmer, Terry Bradshaw, Doug Flutie. Few others. I judge most QBs based on their stats, starting with wins.


    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    And as an aside, I think I saw you yesterday Mista T. In the Ostend/Sharp street lot. I was in the middle of a conversation though so it would have been rude of me to shout across the lot at you.
    I usually like to do a walkabout around 9 am -- before it gets too hot -- to visit our former tailgate neighbors.

    You should come back over to Lot J some time for a beer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    The differences between Flacco's poise and pocket presence vs Boller's in their first games couldn't be more different.
    I agree this was very impressive.

    Specifically, I *really* liked the way he moved in the pocket.

    I am hopeful he'll get better; next week on the road, with Gaither matched up against Williams will be a tougher test. But he moves in the pocket like a pro.
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    Re: Does Baltimore have a true NFL quarterback

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    I usually like to do a walkabout around 9 am -- before it gets too hot -- to visit our former tailgate neighbors.

    You should come back over to Lot J some time for a beer!
    Yeah it was around 9ish. We had just gotten there and were setting up the grill for breakfast.

    I'm bringing the fiance to the Brownies game on the 21st, so we just might walk down to Lot J for an appearance.




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