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[Goode05]

So has Jameis Winston. Does throwing for 5000 yards mean you are a better QB?


The point was this balbomb poster posts here and trashes the team every day namely Lamar and he is then boasting about Herbert being some great QB when in reality he has not won or done jack shit

Winston’s 5k season was also 33 tds to 30 ints. Herbert’s was much better

[purple_city39]

I’m one of them give him a top half of the league defense and just a top half of the league rushing attack he will be right into the top 5 qbs. He has every tool one can ask for he’s just had two and if you go back to college 3 of the worst possible head coaches. Harbaugh will build the trenches and Harbaugh just wins where every he goes

Smh. It's been insane to me how some fans defend every QB but their own.

Herbert - "give him a better defense and better run game and watch how well he does"

Burrow - "give him a better o-line and he wins at least 1 superbowl.

Allen - "give him a good run game and a clutch defense and he'll dominate"

Lamar before 2023- "why does he need better WRs or better play calling? A good QB makes everyone around him better. Mahomes does it so why can't he?"

[ShadeRaven]

Winston’s 5k season was also 33 tds to 30 ints. Herbert’s was much better

Herbert still had a nasty 15 INTs

lol they both missed the playoffs

Justin Herbert is a fantastic boxcscore QB

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[ravensfan7716]

Winston’s 5k season was also 33 tds to 30 ints. Herbert’s was much better

It still does not mean much to me.

Neither QB Herbert or Winston is moving forward in the playoffs is what matters.


Herbert put up decent stats but so does Kirk Cousins. Neither QB has done anything playoff wise.

Both have had superior WR talent as well

Winston had superior WR talent when he did it.

[ravensfan7716]

Smh. It's been insane to me how some fans defend every QB but their own.

Herbert - "give him a better defense and better run game and watch how well he does"

Burrow - "give him a better o-line and he wins at least 1 superbowl.

Allen - "give him a good run game and a clutch defense and he'll dominate"

Lamar before 2023- "why does he need better WRs or better play calling? A good QB makes everyone around him better. Mahomes does it so why can't he?"

Everyone of those QBS had far superior WR talent when they have racked up those yards.


Allen could not hit the broadside of a barn before they traded for Diggs.

[ravensfan7716]

I’m one of them give him a top half of the league defense and just a top half of the league rushing attack he will be right into the top 5 qbs. He has every tool one can ask for he’s just had two and if you go back to college 3 of the worst possible head coaches. Harbaugh will build the trenches and Harbaugh just wins where every he goes

So you are saying it is going to take Jim harbaugh to turn Herbert into a playoff winning QB?

Lets see if they draft a WR with that top 5 pick.

Lets see if they roll into the season with a bunch of scrub WRS and see him still put up those numbers.

The Chargers won only 5 games last year in a division where there was only 1 good team the chiefs.

How could they not win more than 5 games? The Broncos and Raiders have been a dumpster fire for years.

The Ravens last year entered the year with the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL. They had the toughest division in football last year and probably moving forward where all 4 teams are going to have a winning record.


There is a massive difference in talent between Herbert and Lamar.

Herbert is a decent QB, but he is not anywhere near as good as Lamar from a pure talent standpoint

[xiao_ke]

Smh. It's been insane to me how some fans defend every QB but their own.

Herbert - "give him a better defense and better run game and watch how well he does"

Burrow - "give him a better o-line and he wins at least 1 superbowl.

Allen - "give him a good run game and a clutch defense and he'll dominate"

Lamar before 2023- "why does he need better WRs or better play calling? A good QB makes everyone around him better. Mahomes does it so why can't he?"

Mahomes is easily the best QB in the NFL right now, but he also has a top five all time TE in Kelce and the best coach in the league when it comes to passing offenses and coaching up QB's.

The Ravens finally upgraded from Greg Roman's high school passing offense last year, but there's a long way to go before they do things on offense like the Chiefs or 49ers.

[ShadeRaven]

So you are saying it is going to take Jim harbaugh to turn Herbert into a playoff winning QB?

Lets see if they draft a WR with that top 5 pick.

Lets see if they roll into the season with a bunch of scrub WRS and see him still put up those numbers.

The Chargers won only 5 games last year in a division where there was only 1 good team the chiefs.

How could they not win more than 5 games? The Broncos and Raiders have been a dumpster fire for years.

The Ravens last year entered the year with the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL. They had the toughest division in football last year and probably moving forward where all 4 teams are going to have a winning record.


There is a massive difference in talent between Herbert and Lamar.

Herbert is a decent QB, but he is not anywhere near as good as Lamar from a pure talent standpoint

its not like Herbert is young, he's 26 on a massive contract. Its time to deliver. Lamar came one game short of the superbowl and people want to close the book on him.

Herbert is off his rookie contract and doesnt have a winning record but thats okay, he's still gods gift to Quarterbacking

[purple_city39]

It's weird how I read on this forum that regular season doesn't matter and nobody cares about regular season MVP only playoffs and Superbowl matters but Herbert 's stats for a career losing record is some pinnacle of quarterbacking

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The interesting part of thinking Herbert is some great QB and Lamar isn't is how well they compare when it comes to averages. Herbert, like Allen, is a volume merchant. Carrer averages for both:

Jackson - 64.6% completions
Herbert - 66.6 6

Jackson - 5.9% TD
Herbert - 4.7%

Jackson - 2.1% INTs
Herbert - 1.7%

Jackson - 7.5 yards per attempt
Herbert - 7.1

Jackson - 98 career PASSER rating
Herbert - 95.7

Jackson - 8.7 intended air yards per pass
Herbert - 7.2

4 - 2 in Lamar's favor for efficiency. That's with worse WRs. That's with a worse passing scheme. That's while being under pressure more (7.41% sack rate for Jackson and 5.09% for Herbert). Keep in mind, since 2021, Austik Ekeler has been more productive than Dobbins, Edwards, and Hill COMBINED.

[purple_city39]

Mahomes is easily the best QB in the NFL right now, but he also has a top five all time TE in Kelce and the best coach in the league when it comes to passing offenses and coaching up QB's.

The Ravens finally upgraded from Greg Roman's high school passing offense last year, but there's a long way to go before they do things on offense like the Chiefs or 49ers.

That actually adds to my point. Some of these fans keep saying "if Mahomes could do it why can't Lamar", but then for every other QB it's "well they need better _____"

[ravensfan7716]

Mahomes is easily the best QB in the NFL right now, but he also has a top five all time TE in Kelce and the best coach in the league when it comes to passing offenses and coaching up QB's.

The Ravens finally upgraded from Greg Roman's high school passing offense last year, but there's a long way to go before they do things on offense like the Chiefs or 49ers.

I agree Mahomes is still the top guy.

But his offense has become Tom Brady Dink and dunk and its easy to see why his stats are there and they are winning.


Mahomes was also dead last in air yards per TD reception at less than 4 yards per throw. They throw all those screen passes and their offense is all about pre snap movement and scheme.


Tyler Huntley would look good throwing 3.5 yard passes if he had played in that scheme.

[Ravenswintitle]

another 'bash afc quarterback to make mine look better' thread. how cute