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    Re: Ravens Sign New QB?



    The problem about Culpepper is that not only would he ask for more than the vet minimum (cf. Pittsburgh) but he would also lobby to be the starter. We're in too deep now to get someone who wants to start

    I love it how everyone says the season's in the tank, but they want to bring in an expensive, whiny QB who isn't all that good. What for?




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensInBrazil View Post
    The problem about Culpepper is that not only would he ask for more than the vet minimum (cf. Pittsburgh) but he would also lobby to be the starter. We're in too deep now to get someone who wants to start

    I love it how everyone says the season's in the tank, but they want to bring in an expensive, whiny QB who isn't all that good. What for?
    I couldn't agree more. I love how he is being praised as this really good QB, don't you think there is a reason we are 1 week away from the season and not 1 of the other 31 teams have signed him, he is expensive not very good, a health risk and again not very good. Yes he had a good seaosn or 2 but that was with Randy Moss and no bad knee, just let it go he is not coming here. You talk about how Clayton is right and we are wrong, well then there is a reason our entire FO have not looked at him and you keep begging for the washup to come...you are wrong
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    I'm not at all happy with the way that Harbaugh & company are handling this. Between Smith, Flacco, and Bramlet, there is a sum total of two fuckin' NFL starts. That spells disaster. Like or dislike Culpepper: he is experienced and has had many good pre-injury years, and he very well could be back to form by now. The only thing good coming out of this move is that it shows me that the FO has a plan in place to succeed Smith at the end of 2009 - his final contract year.

    Maybe there's hope here: Casey Bramlet may wind up on the practice squad if either Boller's injury is not a season-ender or if Boller is IR'd and a vet is signed -- Culpepper or Simms immediately come to mind, but hell ... I'd even look at Tim Couch at this juncture.
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    Re: Ravens Sign New QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    Who the hell is Casey Bramlet?!

    What is the front office smoking?

    This might be enough for me to jump on the Dante bandwagon.
    Not that it means anything but...

    June 23, 2007 NFL Europe Frankfurt Galaxy 28, Hamburg Sea Devils 37 YELLO STROM WORLD BOWL XV Commerzbank Arena, Frankfurt, Germany Attendance: 48,125 Washington Redskins-allocated quarterback Casey Bramlet threw for 347 yards and four touchdowns as the Hamburg Sea Devils clinched a first World Bowl crown in team history with a 37-28 victory against the host Frankfurt Galaxy.

    Flacco needs someone to take some of the reps off of him.Can't have Flacco's arm getting too tired can we.
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    Re: Ravens Sign New QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    I'm not at all happy with the way that Harbaugh & company are handling this. Between Smith, Flacco, and Bramlet, there is a sum total of two fuckin' NFL starts. That spells disaster. Like or dislike Culpepper: he is experienced and has had many good pre-injury years, and he very well could be back to form by now. The only thing good coming out of this move is that it shows me that the FO has a plan in place to succeed Smith at the end of 2009 - his final contract year.

    Maybe there's hope here: Casey Bramlet may wind up on the practice squad if either Boller's injury is not a season-ender or if Boller is IR'd and a vet is signed -- Culpepper or Simms immediately come to mind, but hell ... I'd even look at Tim Couch at this juncture.
    Tim Couch has been out of football too long and was never any good.

    Daunte may not have been able to stick around on a team recently, but he has been in the NFL, and was offered a deal or two this offseason. Just not a good one or a starting one.

    He has had more incredible games without Randy Moss, (who missed plenty of games with various injuries, and took plenty of plays off even when he was out there, back then) than Kyle Boller will ever have. The Moss argument is really a dumb one. Of course he helps the QB. look at what he did for Brady's numbers. It does not mean the Qb can not play without him, or he will be able to play just because he is out there, see Oakland.

    I don't think the division is too tough. Even if it was, you never know if a starting QB gets hurt and changes everything.

    There are not more than 15 really good Qbs in the NFL. Daunte is the best shot we have at having a top 15 this year. With the rest of what we have, Defense and a running game, poss WRs and solid to spectacular special teams, we can and should most definitly plan to contend now. At least until we are out of contention, and then we start building for next year, getting the rookie QB all the PT, backed up by Troy.




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    With the state of things at QB right now I'd have everyone going through the motions of trying out at QB.Even Todd Maranovich if he stopped skateboarding and smoking weed long enough.
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    Re: Ravens Sign New QB?

    I gotta think at least one QB is shaking loose in TB this weekend:

    Jeff Garcia, Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Josh Johnson (draft pick from this year), Luke McCown...Although they could just cut McCown and keep 4, but I'm hoping they cut at least one of Simms or Griese (would be Garcia, but he's definitley the starter there).
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    I'd be happy if they cut McCown and we could pick him up, he looked very good IMO when he deputised for Garcia. Simms is the most likely cut there, he's almost a dead cert by most reports I've read and if these reports are to be believed he's headed back to Texas to be the Cowboys' #3 and be groomed to be Romo's back up in '09.




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    Re: Ravens Sign New QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenTD View Post
    Not that it means anything but...

    June 23, 2007 NFL Europe Frankfurt Galaxy 28, Hamburg Sea Devils 37 YELLO STROM WORLD BOWL XV Commerzbank Arena, Frankfurt, Germany Attendance: 48,125 Washington Redskins-allocated quarterback Casey Bramlet threw for 347 yards and four touchdowns as the Hamburg Sea Devils clinched a first World Bowl crown in team history with a 37-28 victory against the host Frankfurt Galaxy.

    Flacco needs someone to take some of the reps off of him.Can't have Flacco's arm getting too tired can we.
    I don't know why you guys are being so down on this dude.

    Dude's a WORLD BOWL winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    I gotta think at least one QB is shaking loose in TB this weekend:

    Jeff Garcia, Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Josh Johnson (draft pick from this year), Luke McCown...Although they could just cut McCown and keep 4, but I'm hoping they cut at least one of Simms or Griese (would be Garcia, but he's definitley the starter there).
    I don't know about Johnson, but any of the others would be better -- much better -- than the guys we have left.
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    I really don't get the over-reaction from fans this season. Temper your expectations people!

    Casey Bramlett isn't being brought in because anyone in the organization thinks he's the savior of the franchise. They've already committed to that rationale to Joe Flacco by way of the investment they've made in him.

    It's crystal-clear. Bramlett is the emergency replacement for Flacco, because Troy Smith won't play tonight, and Mark Clayton taking any reps at all is embarrassing. Just because they brought in a street free-agent familiar with Cam Cameron's offense for precautionary reasons doesn't mean they don't know what they are up against. If he hangs around, I don't expect it will be for long. Then again, I could be wrong. But I have faith that the Ravens have a vision for how this season and the future unfolds.

    I'm a HUGE Daunte Culpepper fan. I think he's gotten more unnecessary flack from analysts and fans over the last few years than he's deserved. People forget, Culpepper played for two teams (Miami and Oakland) that were flat our HORRIBLE during his tenure there - far less talent than even the Ravens pathetic offenses in that span. No talent, no coaching, no real chance to succeed, and not even a great deal of opportunities. Not to mention he rushed back from one of the worst knee-injuries we've seen recently in the NFL.

    I think this organization would have been much better off today had they chosen to pursue Culpepper over Steve McNair, and I said that two years ago. Culpepper sucked without Randy Moss? Maybe. Randy Moss made Tom Brady a lot better statistical quarterback too. Daunte was a MVP candidate and Peyton Manning's statistical equal for a consistent period during his best years in Minnesota. To discount his success there is confusing. He's not a perfect player, but by miles he would have been the best quarterback in Ravens franchise history, and at just 31, still might be if he showed up today.

    That said, he doesn't fit here. This is a rebuilding franchise, whether or not any of us would like to accept it. The Ravens don't need wins, they need development. They won't tell you that, but it's the truth. Sure, they want to win all 16 this year. You play to win.

    But more than that, they need to get young players minutes. Guys like Flacco, Ray Rice, Oneil Cousins, Marshall Yanda, Tavares Gooden, Antwan Barnes, Tom Zbikowski and Derrick Martin. They need to play. They need to learn on the job. They need to give us an indication of whether or not they are to be relied on as we try to rebuild this ship as quickly as possible.

    If I was running the Ravens, I'd wait out the next round of cuts and see what young players are let go, relegated to the practice squad, or made available for trade. A couple of players that intrigue me are:

    Josh Johnson QB Tampa Bay

    Johnson has terrific athleticism, but might be caught up in a numbers game in Tampa. While I'd be somewhat surprised to see him released, Tampa might try to stash him away on the practice squad. Unlikely, but still worth keeping an eye on. Simms is obviously an option as well.

    Matt Flynn QB Green Bay

    A personal favorite of mine, Flynn might be available for trade in my opinion. After all, the team is committed to Aaron Rodgers this season, and invested as second round pick in Brian Brohm this year. If the Ravens like Flynn as much as I do, they'd be willing to offer a 5th round pick for a young quarterback who can develop and has upside mixed with a proven track record of success. They may not, but I would.

    Quinn Gray QB Indianapolis

    Gray brings a solid mix of youth, athleticism, and experience to the table, which is appealing for a team with an inexperienced offensive line and even less game experience at the quarterback position. I don't see him making the Colts roster at this point, and he might be a solid option at minimal cost.

    Brooks Bollinger QB Minnesota

    Likely to be the odd man out in Minnesota, Bollinger has decent amount of NFL game experience, is smart, accurate, and reliable. He's not the quarterback of the future, but certainly an upgrade over Kyle Boller or Casey Bramlett. And again, he's likely to be free. I always thought Brooks was underrated.

    Let's face it - the Ravens wouldn't have assembled a roster of quarterbacks containing a combined two starts for two players and a failed 40 starts for the other unless they felt the same way I do. The latter shouldn't be on the roster, but the extension he was given hamstrung the team, and this injury might be an unfortunate blessing in disguise.

    They knew this wasn't going to be the year they made a run. Instead, they'll get their promising YOUNG players time, and see what they can do. Finally, I think they realize they have to solve the quarterback issue once and for all if they are ever going to be consistently competitive like the Colts and Patriots have been.

    We'll see where it goes.




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    Re: Ravens Sign New QB?

    Extra Point your post was a breath of fresh air. I agree with pretty much everything you said.

    The biggest point you made was that we are a rebuilding franchise. I think as soon as us fans realize that and stop looking for quick fixes this season the better off we'll be.




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    Good points Extra. I have been beating the Daunte drum, but wanted him to start traing camp here. At this point, I would be willing to wait and see who hits the wire before commiting to him or anyone.

    I really wanted to draft Josh Johnson in the 5th round but Gruden grabbed him even thoughhe had like 8qbs on the roster at the time. I think he will be among TBs top 53, but that should mean 2 more vets hit the street.

    I still think Daunte is the best short term option, and looking at the rest of the division and schedule, I think we can win with decent Qb play.

    The rebuiling has already started, but until we are actually out of contention and the veterans have been pushed out the door, we should be playing them and trying to win now, in my opinion, even if it means more rebuilding next year.

    I see this roster as in the last 2 years of the left over SB players window, and Gregg, Pryce and Rolle, Heap, Mason, even Ed Reed, Bart Scott and T Sizzle, I can all see walking in 2 years. There should be enough good young players left like Nagta, Grubbs, Brown, Landry and so on to rebuild quickly, but right now I see it more as a reloading situation than a rebuild. We definitly need a little more ammo, but there is still time to get it.




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    Re: Ravens Sign New QB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    I still think Daunte is the best short term option, and looking at the rest of the division and schedule, I think we can win with decent Qb play.

    The rebuiling has already started, but until we are actually out of contention and the veterans have been pushed out the door, we should be playing them and trying to win now, in my opinion, even if it means more rebuilding next year.
    So your willing to be worst off in the future with more rebuilding to win now. If you haven't notice the rebuilding show've started 2 seasons ago. But we went for the quick fix in McNair. Yeah we got to the playoffs but it was bitter sweet, followed by a miserable season.

    If we got Dante like you want and somehow made the playoffs how do you think we would fare against NE or the Colts in the post season?




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    TEP is mostly on point, except that Boller is the best QB we have a legitimate chance of havoing on our roster at any point this year. brooks Bollinger is not an upgrade, Quinn Gray is not an upgrade, Cleo Lemon would not be an upgrade, and his injury is NOT a blessing in disguise.

    That said, you were right abotu Bramlet, I cannot see him lasting past week 6, and that would be if Boller was a Pup candidate with a legitimate chance of returning. Otherwise, he may be here until Troy can play again, only to be replaced by someone with more experience that needs to learn the system, or John Beck if he shakes loose. I don't think that Josh Johnson or Matt Flynn would really fit in here.




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