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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy



    Started a thread on the Politics page since it seems this is headed to be a political debate .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    We don't have to ban anything that is annoying if people have the common courtesy to not impose their annoyances on others.

    You seem to be trying to make the case that you should be able to sit next to me and impose your carcinogen-laced breath on me. The state is making the case that you need to take it to a place where those who don't want to be exposed to your breath have equal opportunity to avoid it. Which sounds more reasonable?

    I am not drawn to the conclusion that the government is going to try to control my food intake because they have have enforced stricter smoking laws. That sounds like a Brian Wilson fallacious argument to me.
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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    oops!
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    PP beat me to it.




  5. #20

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    Sometimes it's good to know what you are talking about before engaging in a debate. Thank goodness the government is saying kids from being obese. Heaven forbid a parent feeds the child with something besides McDonalds.

    I'm not a smoker and I was 100% against the law.

    If the city would worry about criminals and State's Attorney's office that is incompetent instead of what kind of food we eat, it might have a chance to survive.

    But we all know there's no fun in that.

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  6. #21

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    I'm just arguing because some people are never happy even after their side won. Smokers are unwelcome in pretty much every public place in the state of Maryland. Convicted child molesters have more rights in this state than smokers. The stadium is going to have a few sections to appease their smoking fans, which is at least 20% of us if you go by the national average, and some people still aren't happy. We should be smoking under the light rail tracks. I have never in my life seen a perfectly legal activity chastised like smoking is, and I will be perfectly honest, it scares me a bit. Where does government intervention stop?

    I'm not happy that I smoke, and I'd really like to quit, and I have to within the next couple months because I am donating a kidney. It's just a very hard thing to do when you have been smoking for more than 20 years. People who treat smokers like we are the dregs of society do nothing but make me want to continue the habit because I hate giving in to those that want to control me.




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    Someone earlier stated that its about manners, not rights. As an ex-smoker, I see and smell cigs now and cant believe how inconsiderate I was when I smoked. The reason the government feels they have the right to enforcing smoking bans has to do with worker protection. We all know thats not at the heart of smoking bans, but that is the legal reason.
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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    My worth

    The smell of cigarettes outside do not bother me at all, just don't do it next to me in my seat.

    The thing that pisses me off about smokers is:

    They think the world is an ASHTRAY by flicking their BUTTS out the window, or DUMPING their car's ashtray onto the curb at a red light.

    If you respect the earth and not treat it like an ashtray....smoke away!!





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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    I am aware of this and I really don't believe what kind of fat your fries are fried in really is about the government making food choices for you. While it is wholly unnecessary, it is also a slippery slope libertarian argument that sounds nice on the surface but really doesn't lead to the government deciding what is on the menu when I go to a restaurant. Let me know when I can no longer eat my peanut butter captain crunch then I will be paranoid.








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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    I am aware of this and I really don't believe what kind of fat your fries are fried in really is about the government making food choices for you. While it is wholly unnecessary, it is also a slippery slope libertarian argument that sounds nice on the surface but really doesn't lead to the government deciding what is on the menu when I go to a restaurant. Let me know when I can no longer eat my peanut butter captain crunch then I will be paranoid.
    Liberty isnt stolen away in one swoop .... its taken away small piece by small piece.

    California had a sugar ban get squashed in committee. If you dont think your side is trying, you need to bone up on your reading.
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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    I am aware of this and I really don't believe what kind of fat your fries are fried in really is about the government making food choices for you. While it is wholly unnecessary, it is also a slippery slope libertarian argument that sounds nice on the surface but really doesn't lead to the government deciding what is on the menu when I go to a restaurant. Let me know when I can no longer eat my peanut butter captain crunch then I will be paranoid.
    LOL.

    So when it actually bothers YOU then it's ok to question it? Wow.

    Remind me to revisit this in 10 years.

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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    I'm not happy that I smoke, and I'd really like to quit, and I have to within the next couple months because I am donating a kidney.
    I wish you luck. Trust me, you don't want your loved ones to watch you waste away and gurgle your last breaths away because of lung cancer. Like I did with my Dad.
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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenDavey View Post
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    The thing that pisses me off about smokers is:

    They think the world is an ASHTRAY by flicking their BUTTS out the window, or DUMPING their car's ashtray onto the curb at a red light.

    If you respect the earth and not treat it like an ashtray....smoke away!!
    Agreed...every street corner has butts in the street...it's disgusting and disrespectful.
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  14. #29

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    I've been kind of an on again off again self loathing smoker for half of the last decade. I'm weird like that. I can quit cold turkey and literally have not one cigarette for a year after simply making up my mind, then casually start back because i miss it or enjoy it from time to time and get back to nearly a pack a day for a year again and quit at once again.

    I actually quit Friday morning after smoking the last one in my pack on my way to work and decided I didn't want to buy anymore at $6 a day or $150 a month. I realize most people don't work that way, so good luck... though to be honest, I think luck has nothing to do with it.
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    Re: New M&T Bank Stadium smoking policy

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79
    I've been kind of an on again off again self loathing smoker46 for half of the last decade. I'm weird like that.
    I'm not going to agree that you're weird, but you are unique in your on again off again ways. I don't smoke, but several of my best friends going all the way back to high school have, and it's obviously an extremely difficult habit to break. However it's obviously not impossible -- one of my friends did in fact manage to quit (on what was probably his fourth or fifth try), so it can be done. What I've learned is that you can't (IMO) convince a smoker to stop smoking, because they have to want to do it themselves. So for those who want to quit (like someone who is about to donate a kidney -- kudos to you for that), don't feel discouraged.

    With respect to the smoking policy itself, I have mixed feelings about it. As I said before, I don't smoke, but I don't particularly like seeing smokers treated like second-class citizens. I don't have a problem with what I have read so far about the Vault policy, but in some other cases it seems a bit extreme. A sports bar I go to for lunch sometimes in downtown Baltimore doesn't even carry matches for people who want to smoke outside. That's a bit much, IMO.




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