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    Re: Ravens Projected 53 Man Roster (updated version 2).1



    Well with regards the QB situation, one vet name from that top list has been signed, Pennington is now a Dolphin. Whether this means McCown hits the open market now, who knows. I'd suspect it might mean John Beck hits the open market actually, and we won't be in the market for him I wouldn't have thought, McCown would be doubtful, Beck, no chance.




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    I would say there would be interest in Beck. We could get him late and be ok since he already has a year in Cam's offense. He is too young to be labled a bust yet.




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    Re: Ravens Projected 53 Man Roster (updated version 2).1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    I would say there would be interest in Beck. We could get him late and be ok since he already has a year in Cam's offense. He is too young to be labled a bust yet.
    Why would there be any interest in Beck? Yes there's a year in Cam's offence but I severely doubt the Dolphins cut him any time soon (before the end of camp) in which case you certainly can't say that he's got more talent than Boller or Smith and he wouldn't have the time to beat any of them out of the roster. McCown at least has some half decent starting experience and might be a better choice than Boller if he were to get time in camp, but I can't see how Beck would be able to beat out Smith or Boller.




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    Re: Ravens Projected 53 Man Roster (updated version 2).1

    I really want whatever it is some of you are drinking / smoking if you really think we're going to sign another QB.

    Kidding aside, unless there is some season ending injury or some back asswards deal that we get a 1st rounder, we have our 3 QB's for this season -- for better or worse.
    WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and/or supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. All statements and assertions contained herein may be subject to literary devices not limited to: irony, metaphor, allusion and dripping sarcasm.




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    Re: Ravens Projected 53 Man Roster (updated version 2).1

    I guess it is fun, but all the mental juggling can be crazy trying to figure things out.

    I'm still not sold on Green making the final cut. And Daniels... average running back time in the league (he is there) and an injury history?? I have a hard time even seeing IR at this point. Feeling that Patrick will have his spot.

    Do we write off Martin and Pittman, both of them? We have cleared Gaston/Winbourne from last year, and Prude sure appears heading that way also. Holding 5 CB and 5 S seems logical but how practical? I need to watch HNaka a little more to see if he has any decent coverage skills... if so then maybe consider him a hybrid CB/S and he will be the 6th CB only listed and playing S.

    WR is a huge logjam. I still like Willis, but barring injuries, I think he is squeezed. Was hearing some good things about Wheelright (maybe he has a shot if I learn to spell his name wright ). I could see them giving Harper some reps, have to find out now if he is an onfield playmaker, otherwise we are facing a Clarence Moore roster spot decision, and I don't think the team wants a drawn-out decision process on him like that, so he gets played and evaluated... I'll be watching during the next couple of games to see if his time remains or decreases... if decreases or disappears, then I assume an evaluation decision has been made.
    Cody is just sad, really feeeling this is the make or break year.

    Ironically, dispite the thread discussion, the only roster position that can be considered set presently is QB
    the 1- know what you got
    2- know what you got developing
    3- develop what you hope is there
    and I don't see that situation changing (barring injury) the course has been set.

    I can still see a TE/HBack/FB addition after others final cuts. And any S we cut grabbed elsewhere, so maybe it is Pittman and Martin cut because they very possibly will be available to bring back if injury opens something.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    The rookie mistakes are not as hard to stomach from a rookie QB. Kyle should look better most of the time, but if he is going to make more mistakes than TDs, he can not start. Brett Favre is going to throw a bunch of picks, but he is also going to throw some TD passes.
    Just on an aside, not that I am making ANY comparisons (I'm seriously just reminiscing), but remember in 2005 when Favre threw 29 picks?? He only had 20 TD's that year. I felt really bad for him.

    The fans will learn to love Kyle....
    I stopped you there. That shipped sailed in 2003.

    I think Troy will eventually be our David Garrard, and Kyle may play well enough under Cameron and Harbaugh to create a Derrick Anderson/ Brady Quinn type situation. Hopefully even eventually a Brett Favre/ Rodgers type of deal
    This also is not going to happen. Kyle will play out this year and will be somewhere else next year. There is no way in hell he stays. Even if he has a career year and takes the team to the playoffs, he's not coming back.

    If everything you read and hear from the press is true, then why would he WANT to stay? Everyone claims Smith is convinced he's starting the season no matter how bad he played in the pre-season game or in practice. Apparently this "open" competition is a sham if I understand all the media folks. I would want the hell out of here the minute the season ended too.

    Troy Smith and Joe Flacco are your 2009 Raven's QB's, with whatever guy they pick up to back either of these guys up.

    Boller is gone after this year no matter what. You can take that to the bank.




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    I doubt Kelly Gregg will be in the lineup to start the season considering his recent arthroscopic knee surgery. I am not sure what the recovery time is, but between now and the season opener seems too little time for him to get ready.

    I would expect him to start the season on PuP. Not sure who would take his place in the lineup.




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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG
    If everything you read and hear from the press is true, then why would he WANT to stay?
    Stinger, did you just write "If everything you read and hear from the press is true?"

    Everyone claims Smith is convinced he's starting the season no matter how bad he played in the pre-season game or in practice.
    It may be true that Smith is sure he's going to be the starter, but it's not up to him. If he plays in these three remaining preseason games like he did in the first one, I don't think he's starting, unless Boller and Flacco also suck.

    I tend to agree with your assertion that this is Boller's last year in a Ravens uniform, but let's just see how the season plays out. Smith (and Flacco) have time to prove themselves, but Smith to me hasn't proven anything yet, except that he has a cocky attitude.




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    I agree with everything in highwaters post except if Boller does have a very good year I see a chance that he will be offered another 1 year contract. Weather or not he would be interested im not sure. He may want to go battle Redman for a starting job...




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    The front office believes in Kyle a lot more than the fans, other players, other teams and people who don't even watch football do.

    I like him and buy a lot of excuses for some of his early struggles, but was glad they got McNair when they did, and I would have at least been talking to Cullpeper and Leftwich last year. Boller deserves one last chance this preseason with a new OC, but if he continues to outpace his TDs with twice as many turnovers, he has got to go.


    Then we start Troy week 1 and try to get another vet qb up to speed to back him up.

    If Boller plays well though, which I actually think he will, I can see the Ravens offering him another contract. There is no pressure to start Troy Smith because he is a 5th round pick they will keep around as long as they want to.

    I am a big Troy Smith fan, and hope all 3 QBs play well and he wins the job, but the best thing I can say for the QB compettion is it really does appear to be open and fair. If none of the QBs look good, I believe they will not hesitate to get someone else in here at Kyle's expense.

    The whole depth chart/ 53 is really interesting especially since we don't know the new coaches profile. I think the safties we have could definitly fill in as the 5th CB on a reseve slot WR.

    There is at least one decent player actually fighting to make the team at almost every position. It will keep the 4th quarter of every preseason game interesting (as if I would not have been watching anyway).




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    Quote Originally Posted by highwater View Post
    Stinger, did you just write "If everything you read and hear from the press is true?"
    Hey, I have lost respect for many local media types (including Aaron Wilson who has seemingly been more blatent in it this year than he's ever been) over this open rally, and in some cases their manipulation of reporting to cover up Troy Smith's mistakes in order to lobby for his start. And they write that the team is going with Smith pretty much no matter how he plays, as if they know this as fact.

    It sucks. That said, you can't simply ignore it.


    It may be true that Smith is sure he's going to be the starter, but it's not up to him. If he plays in these three remaining preseason games like he did in the first one, I don't think he's starting, unless Boller and Flacco also suck.
    That is why I made the comment about the media reports. If you belive everything you read, Troy Smith made no mistakes Thursday and was better looking than Boller because his balls thrown to defenders were dropped. In all the articles written, you didn't hear a single thing about it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    The front office believes in Kyle a lot more than the fans, other players, other teams and people who don't even watch football do.
    I don't think I agree with that. The drafting of Joe Flacco I think speaks volumes to that. John Harbaugh may or may not have had anything to do with the pick, I don't know. But the minute Ozzie picked a QB in the first round, that spelled the end of their desire to try and wait to see if Boller will develop.


    I like him and buy a lot of excuses for some of his early struggles, but was glad they got McNair when they did, and I would have at least been talking to Cullpeper and Leftwich last year. Boller deserves one last chance this preseason with a new OC, but if he continues to outpace his TDs with twice as many turnovers, he has got to go.
    Well, the one thing you can say is that there isn't anything in his history to suggest that. Career he is 45 TD/44 INT, and he's been close both ways year by year. So start or not I am not worried that he'd go through the season with 10 TD's and 20 INT's.


    If Boller plays well though, which I actually think he will, I can see the Ravens offering him another contract. There is no pressure to start Troy Smith because he is a 5th round pick they will keep around as long as they want to.
    I just don't see it. Look, I like the guy too. I've been in Kyle's corner even when the masses of the forums turned their back on him. But reality is what it is. And again, this is IF you believe the media, the players don't want Kyle. And the fans certainly don't. So why would he stay?

    And what kind of contract would they offer him? I would think if Boller were to think about staying, it would have to be something long term. But you can't do that because you drafted Joe Flacco. You basically made the statement Boller was no longer the future of the team. If he does well this year, again if he even has the fair opportunity to start (which again, IF you listen to the local media, this isn't really an "open" competition), then he's going to want to take that to another team having QB issues and try to get a starting job elsewhere.

    I firmly believe this is Boller's last year as a Raven. And that is why I really don't care much about the QB situation anymore. I may not like the media reporting, but I really don't care who starts because I'm a Ravens fan and will root for any of these three guys.

    I am a big Troy Smith fan, and hope all 3 QBs play well and he wins the job, but the best thing I can say for the QB compettion is it really does appear to be open and fair. If none of the QBs look good, I believe they will not hesitate to get someone else in here at Kyle's expense.
    Depends on who you ask. We'll see if this competition really is fair and open.
    Last edited by StingerNLG; 08-10-2008 at 10:03 PM.




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    Re: Ravens Projected 53 Man Roster (updated version 2).1

    Quote Originally Posted by RagingRaven View Post
    I agree with everything in highwaters post except if Boller does have a very good year I see a chance that he will be offered another 1 year contract. Weather or not he would be interested im not sure. He may want to go battle Redman for a starting job...
    Redman wins, hands down..




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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG
    Hey, I have lost respect for many local media types (including Aaron Wilson who has seemingly been more blatent in it this year than he's ever been) over this open rally, and in some cases their manipulation of reporting to cover up Troy Smith's mistakes in order to lobby for his start.
    I totally agree, which is why I thought your "If everything you read and hear in the press is true" line was funny, intentional or not -- of course you can't believe what the local press says, especially the Sun. Their coverage of the first preseason game was outrageously biased. They didn't appear to be watching the same game I watched.

    The Sun's coverage of the Ravens has been bad for years, but it's disgraceful now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Hey, I have lost respect for many local media types (including Aaron Wilson who has seemingly been more blatent in it this year than he's ever been) over this open rally, and in some cases their manipulation of reporting to cover up Troy Smith's mistakes in order to lobby for his start. And they write that the team is going with Smith pretty much no matter how he plays, as if they know this as fact.

    It sucks. That said, you can't simply ignore it.

    Yeah, no offense, but Aaron Wilson has definitely joined the club of local media types who take themselves too seriously and consider themselves "inside".


    But thats how you make a career niche for yourself in that industry now. Look at Preston. In some ways, Aaron can only hope to become as storied as Preston is.


    Its obvious to anyone who has eyes for football that Troy should have dropped behind Boller in the competition considering camp and that preseason game. Ironically, both Aaron and Preston are both, late in the game, noting this in their past little blog update thigies, and understanding that Smith has to look better to win.


    Of course, that didn't stop either from writing non-sensical articles saying "Boller squandered chance in preseason game"


    I'm not sure how passing 11 of 15 for 100+ yards in a quarter and a half is "squandered". he may have not completely capitalized because of the INT, but when your opponent is below 50% completion % and makes equally dumb mistakes, I think you have the lead.




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