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  1. #1
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    OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    I found this article interesting.... FYI

    On a typical training-camp day, backup Chris Redman, who a year ago was selling insurance, performed better than Ryan when you consider he connected on two excellent deep throws. After a bad back forced him out of football and his chance in Baltimore, Redman played well for the Falcons at the end of last season and he gives the team a cushion should they not want to start Ryan in the regular-season opener against Detroit.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...-bright-future





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Kinda like Boller outplaying Flacco?

    PP





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Kinda like Boller outplaying Flacco?

    PP
    More like Troy Smith outplaying Joe Flacco. Outside of his first day debacle, Troy's been solid. And has been outstanding the past couple days, especially this morning when he was VERY sharp. He WILL start next week against the patriots.

    Boller has looked very... mediocre thus far. Flacco & Boller have looked about the same. But Flacco has already shown signs of improvement.

    Right now its Smith, Boller, then Flacco.





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    I have to agree with PP here.

    Listen, I have seen Flacco in camp and I believe this guy has IT and he will finally solidify our QB position for the next ten to fifteen years. Flacco will have success at some level in the NFL.

    With that said, he does need to pull a Marino and just come out blazing from day one. Let Flacco grow and let this crappy OL get much better. The best case scenario is for Troy Smith to start the season. If Smith plays well, then he can stay in and get Flacco ready for 09.

    Getting back to Flacco, he will go through growing pains. He will throw INTs, and make poor decisions with the ball. It may take Flacco a year or two before he really blows up and he may do it right away (once he starts). The same can be said for Matt Ryan.

    I will say that before all is said and done, both Ryan and Flacco will be amongst the better QBs in the league.

    Lastly, Flacco is not a project QB as Boller was. Flacco had much success in college and is NFL ready. He just has to make a great adjustment than Ryan has to, but Flacco is no project. If you see him in practice, you'll see that Flacco know what he is doing at QB.
    It's a new season! It's a new day!





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Boller has about a million games more starting experience than Redman, and Flacco wasn't the #3 overall pick who signed a $400 billion contract...

    - C -





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    Boller has about a million games more starting experience than Redman, and Flacco wasn't the #3 overall pick who signed a $400 billion contract...

    - C -
    So what?

    The fact that Redman is outperforming Matt Ryan at this point in time isn't an indictment on Matt Ryan.

    He's what, a week or so into his first training camp?

    Are you saying that it's a surprise that this is the case or that Ryan has somehow not lived up to something?

    The point is, almost every single rookie QB is gonna get outperformed in the first week of camp by a veteran.

    Substitute Troy Smith for Boller in my post. Doesn't matter.

    PP





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe
    The fact that Redman is outperforming Matt Ryan at this point in time isn't an indictment on Matt Ryan.

    He's what, a week or so into his first training camp?
    Exactly -- I wish nothing but the best for Redman, but this is really a non-story on the last day of July. But if Redman can land the backup job to Ryan, that would be a pretty good gig for him, considering where's he's been the past few years.





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    So what?

    The fact that Redman is outperforming Matt Ryan at this point in time isn't an indictment on Matt Ryan.

    He's what, a week or so into his first training camp?

    Are you saying that it's a surprise that this is the case or that Ryan has somehow not lived up to something?

    The point is, almost every single rookie QB is gonna get outperformed in the first week of camp by a veteran.

    Substitute Troy Smith for Boller in my post. Doesn't matter.

    PP
    My point was nothing other than that it was in no way like Boller (or Smith) outplaying Flacco. If for no other reason than Flacco was widely considered a project, and Ryan considered the "most NFL ready" of the rookies.

    I'm not following Ryan's progress even a little bit, so I'm nowhere near educated enough to say whether Ryan's been a disappointment or not.

    You're gonna be sorely disappointed when you see what the real problem with this offense is because it's still here.
    LOL... Great line...I might steal it from you...

    :respect

    The Colts defense in the playoffs played out of their mind. Ask anyone OC they played against.
    Didn't they hold the Chiefs to 14 points or something like that? The o/u on that game was like 52 (after opening at like 49) and everyone thought it was gonna be "last one holding the ball wins". That was Larry Johnson's monster year and the Chiefs offense was dominant, and the Colts D just shut it down... The Colts D played incredibly well in the playoffs...shockingly so...

    - C -





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post

    Didn't they hold the Chiefs to 14 points or something like that? The o/u on that game was like 52 (after opening at like 49) and everyone thought it was gonna be "last one holding the ball wins". That was Larry Johnson's monster year and the Chiefs offense was dominant, and the Colts D just shut it down... The Colts D played incredibly well in the playoffs...shockingly so...

    - C -
    They did play a lot better in the playoffs, but when teams really commited tot he run despite the 8 man fronts they did it well. By then Peyton started to play well though and they were on a roll.

    For some reason the Cheifs did not stick with LJ the same way we did not stick with jamal. That was made it so frustrating. They saw KC fall into the same Tapma 2 trap. sanders would roam and cover a whole lot of ground, but they played the same defense on almost every play. Cover 2 man or zone with the SS flying into the box on run looks if he does not lineup there in the frst place.
    This is a look that encourages you to pass into it, but that is what they are waiting on scrificing yardage for potential turnovers.
    They did not, and still do not have the defensive personell to hold up vs a good run attack for 60 minutes. Sanders is almost ruined already by making so many sticks. They are going to have to get a DT tandem like we have if they are going to continue in that scheme but htey have almost everything else.
    That Colts game was basically all I could stand from Billick. I just could not understand how he could not give Jamal 20 second half carries vs that D with 50 in the first half. They had no answer for the Pashos 100 pound mismatch and Ovie Mughelli mashing the littlle LBs. The only guy who had a chance to drop Jamal 1 on 1 was Sanders and they were getting some blocking on him in the first half.

    I still don't think I unfairly turned on Billick. There was a lot of ups and downs before I just could not see letting him coach the offense. i did not think he needed to be fired, at least until I got to see some of the things Harbaugh has changed already in camp.





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post

    I still don't think I unfairly turned on Billick. There was a lot of ups and downs before I just could not see letting him coach the offense. i did not think he needed to be fired, at least until I got to see some of the things Harbaugh has changed already in camp.
    This blows my mind.

    A week of camp and you're convinced about what exactly?

    This offensive line is in complete shambles right now.

    You can say "it'll be fine by week 1" all you want but the fact of the matter is that we've got major issues at both tackle spots. We've got major issues at QB. We've got major issues at WR.

    Are we really gonna go down that road of believing what we see in training camp?

    You know, where Travis Taylor was a world beater and Kyle Boller looked great? Ron Johnson caught everything and Patrick Johnson was ready to break out?

    Sorry, but a week of full team practice with a rash of injured players doesn't show me much of anything.

    PP





  11. #11

    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    They did play a lot better in the playoffs, but when teams really commited tot he run despite the 8 man fronts they did it well. By then Peyton started to play well though and they were on a roll.

    For some reason the Cheifs did not stick with LJ the same way we did not stick with jamal. That was made it so frustrating. They saw KC fall into the same Tapma 2 trap. sanders would roam and cover a whole lot of ground, but they played the same defense on almost every play. Cover 2 man or zone with the SS flying into the box on run looks if he does not lineup there in the frst place.
    Are you insane? The Chiefs didn't stick with the run cause LJ averaged 2.4 YPC in a year he ran for almost 1,800 yards and 17 TDs. The Chiefs offense, which was a good one, scored 8 points (not 14 like I originally thought). Granted we abandoned the run too early but it's not like we were killing it on the ground...Jamal only averaged 4 per carry. The Pats averaged 3.9 per carry. The Bears were the only team that ran well against them, but they got the sh*t kicked out of them, and if I remember right it was mostly on one or two runs.

    This is a team that was DEAD LAST against the run in the regular season, allowing 5.3 per carry.

    Seriously, don't talk about something as if you know it when you're clearly blowing smoke out your ass. The Colts weren't doing it with smoke and mirrors in the playoffs. They flat out played defense a LOT better in the playoffs than in the regular season, and that includes against the run where up to the Superbowl they allowed less than 4 per carry vs. the regular season where they allowed over 5.

    And it's not like it was an anomoly...he carried it through to this past year's regular season where they only allowed 3.8 per carry.

    That wasn't a result of 8 man fronts. That was a result of some key defensive members getting healthy and the unit gelling completely...

    - C -





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    Re: OT: Chris Redman out playing Matt Ryan

    Well it shouldn't really be a surprise, given that Ryan is a rookie and Redman played pretty well last season:

    89/149, 1079 yds, 10 TD, 5 INT for a 90.4 rating





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