Global Warming .... yes? no?

[HoustonRaven]

Look at the campesino on the corner who didn't understand that maybe he had a right to own the land he farmed until the likes of an Omar Cabeza explained basic human rights to him only to have those dreams shattered because your almighty Ron Reagan supported south american drug cartels (which now infest our country with their cocaine and heroin) to aid the distribution of arms to Iran to support Contra Rebels (you call them "freedom Fighters") to try to prevent that campesino from owning land. Travel and learn the stories maybe you would be less inclined to roll your eyes.

Oy. Even the most liberal of historian have come out and had to admit Reagan was one of the best Presidents we've had.

This kind of talk is nothing more then revisionist propaganda. You're better then this.

[Galen Sevinne]

Oy. Even the most liberal of historian have come out and had to admit Reagan was one of the best Presidents we've had.

You must have mistakenly picked up Carville's rose colored glasses... who are your "most liberal of historians"? Read Chomsky, Grandin, Zinn if you want another view of Reagan. That is not to suggest that Reagan didn't do some great things but he comitted plenty of humanitarian atrocities and basically created the blueprint for the current atrocities created by our Dubious one in Iraq.

This kind of talk is nothing more then revisionist propaganda.

If you really think that, you are truly blind and propagandized yourself. Are you suggesting that u.s. support of contra rebels and our methods of support was a shining moment in u.s. history?

You're better then this.

Really I am not and to be patronizing is to be arrogant. Arrogance lies at the roots of my disdain for neocon politics and is a core reason why travel to other countries is becoming more difficult for Americans that actually care to learn about other cultures.

[HoustonRaven]

You must have mistakenly picked up Carville's rose colored glasses... who are your "most liberal of historians"? Read Chomsky, Grandin, Zinn if you want another view of Reagan. That is not to suggest that Reagan didn't do some great things but he comitted plenty of humanitarian atrocities and basically created the blueprint for the current atrocities created by our Dubious one in Iraq.

You counter my claim by giving me an admitted socialists, animal advocates who know nothing of history and a man who tarnished his brilliant civil rights work by writing books that we shouldnt have bombed Germany? I smell bias. May as well give me the last 3 soviet premieres. When I say historians, I mean people who see the world even-handed and not some group of extremists that cant see the US objectively.

If you really think that, you are truly blind and propagandized yourself. Are you suggesting that u.s. support of contra rebels and our methods of support was a shining moment in u.s. history?

Yes, actually. But that was Col. North's doing, not Reagan's. Now, I suppose your response will be something along the lines of "If you think Reagan didnt know what was going on, he / you was either blind or dumb." Well, go back and read the transcripts of Col. North's illegal interrogation by Congress (I have) and you learn something.

Really I am not and to be patronizing is to be arrogant. Arrogance lies at the roots of my disdain for neocon politics and is a core reason why travel to other countries is becoming more difficult for Americans that actually care to learn about other cultures.

Couldnt agree with you more about neocon politics. Reagan wasnt a neocon though. With the exception of his stances on immigration, Reagan was a Goldwater conservative. With that said, how can you even speak objectively about Reagan with your admitted disdain towards the right? If you're willing to learn something about the conservative movement other then what socialist has to say, I invite you to read "Upstream" by Alfred Regnery. It's quite obvious you only read what the left wants you to read.

I've been on both sides of the fence, have you?

[jonboy79]

A lot of people give Reagan credit for the economy, and then there are economists...

[Galen Sevinne]

You counter my claim by giving me an admitted socialists, animal advocates who know nothing of history and a man who tarnished his brilliant civil rights work by writing books that we shouldnt have bombed Germany? I smell bias.

You were racking my brain with the animal advocate deal. Couldn't quite remember any of these guys being "animal advocates" yes, Chomsky did experiments with ducks and geese but he wasn't the so called animal advocate. Next time you google references be sure to look a little closer. Greg Grandin NOT Temple Grandin. Funny though...and a good try. You can label people all you want and minimize their contributions because they are not in your conservative circle but that doesn't diminish their intelligence, insights or contributions in any way. You smell bias because you are sitting on your own lap. To say any of those guys are not reputable historians is silly.

Yes, actually. But that was Col. North's doing, not Reagan's. Now, I suppose your response will be something along the lines of "If you think Reagan didnt know what was going on, he / you was either blind or dumb." Well, go back and read the transcripts of Col. North's illegal interrogation by Congress (I have) and you learn something.

"If you think Reagan didnt know what was going on, he / you was either blind or dumb." - couldn't have said it any better myself.... but I would also add "complicit" to your otherwise very possible descriptions of Reagan in regards to Iran-Contra.

I did read the transcripts many years ago but ahhh...I can't ummmm...recall... Oliver North coming out in any way a hero in my memory but then again I was probably biased since I felt sorry for the three Nicaraguans I knew who died trying to protect their coffee fields from the contras...poor bleeding heart liberal that I was back then.

how can you even speak objectively about Reagan with your admitted disdain towards the right? If you're willing to learn something about the conservative movement other then what socialist has to say, I invite you to read "Upstream" by Alfred Regnery. It's quite obvious you only read what the left wants you to read. I've been on both sides of the fence, have you?

I don't really have a huge problem with Reagan except for his handling of the Central America situation which I will point out as one of the bleaker moments in American foriegn policy and the fact that the same tactics of media manipulation, disregard for congressional procedures and lying to the American public are being repeated today in the middle east really sucks but I guess that will take another 20 years to be illustrated for those who care to see it.

The per capita deaths in Nicaragua alone, due to Reagan's policies, would be comparable to about 2.5 million in the United States, which is greater than the total number of casualties in all U.S. wars, including the Civil War and all wars in the 20th century. Add Salvador and Guatamala to those numbers and I have a hard time feeling sorry for Oli at his congressional hearings.

[HoustonRaven]

You can label people all you want and minimize their contributions because they are not in your conservative circle but that doesn't diminish their intelligence, insights or contributions in any way. You smell bias because you are sitting on your own lap. To say any of those guys are not reputable historians is silly.

Ah, the classic liberal tactic of projection -- You throw up three ultra biased people and then accuse ME of being the one clinging to baised information. Go back and re-read what I wrote. I strive for balance when I research anyone and anything. I dont read people that simply tell me things I want ot hear. I read both sides of the argument and make a decision for myself. The blame-America-for-everything list you proped is laughable.

"If you think Reagan didnt know what was going on, he / you was either blind or dumb." - couldn't have said it any better myself.... but I would also add "complicit" to your otherwise very possible descriptions of Reagan in regards to Iran-Contra

Ugh. I see facts dont get in the way of a good debate with you. If you're ok with getting your info from baised sources, be my guest.

[Galen Sevinne]

Go back and re-read what I wrote. I strive for balance when I research anyone and anything.

I reread what you wrote and still came to the conclusion that you googled the wrong person which leads me to believe that you might not even know the individuals I referenced. That being the case, it is hard for me to believe you when you say you strive for balance and an unbiased opinion. How can you criticize a source when you have no experience with their areas of study and don't even know who I am talking about??? Go back to supporting your cheerleader Annie...she is much easier to understand.