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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers



    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    One guy I'd like to see come here: Bryant Johnson. Baltimore native, he's been stuck behind Boldin and Fitzgerald in Arizona. Maybe he's not the big name receiver, but I think he'd improve here with a bigger role in our offense. Plus, you could probably get him for pretty cheap...


    I've been a fan of his since college. Dude's done a great job stuck behind two studs, and I've long thought he could be a great NFL WR if he were just given a chance out front.

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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    You can't trade Suggs until he signs a contract unless he agrees to be dealt to the team in question. He has to sign a contract with SOMEBODY before a trade can be done and I can guarantee he won't sign a contract that is trade friendly with us (high bonus and immediate cap hit of it when traded) and I doubt he will agree to go to Detroit.




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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    You can't trade Suggs until he signs a contract unless he agrees to be dealt to the team in question. He has to sign a contract with SOMEBODY before a trade can be done and I can guarantee he won't sign a contract that is trade friendly with us (high bonus and immediate cap hit of it when traded) and I doubt he will agree to go to Detroit.
    Unless I'm terribly mistaken, he's still technically under contract with us until the start of free agency, meaning we could in fact trade him now, with provisions in the deal that he immediately signs a long-term extension with the new team. We would not have to give him a contract with a signing bonus and take a cap hit prior to dealing him; it would be as if he signed in free agency with the new team, but they won't have to bid against anyone else to make it happen. However, once free agency starts, we have no rights to him any longer if we don't franchise him, and to franchise him we need to have the cap space up front to guarantee the full amount for one season. I believe we would be capable of making that happen, but I can't say for certain. And I know our aversion as a franchise to using the tag at all. Everything points to acting swiftly on this, if it was going to happen at all.

    And Greg, don't be so sure he wouldn't agree to go to Detroit... money talks, and they have plenty of cap space to work with.




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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    I'm an optimistic person, but our record with bringing in bigtime FAs has been pretty much hit-or-miss (Searcy, Grbac and Primetime, etc...delivered less than expected.)

    Unfortunately, we haven't had the type of success we anticipated over the past 7 to 8 years when it comes to bringing in or growing the gamebreaker at WR we so desperately need (Marcus Robinson, Travis Taylor, The T.O. debacle and the Mason pickup all come to mind).

    Our next bigtime gamebreaking receiver will be our first since Jackson and Alexander.

    It seems that we produce innumerable Defensive stars, yet our offense is as cursed as the Chicago Cubs' fanbase.

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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    You're talking in terms of what the Ravens would do and Im talking in terms of what he commands on the free market. He is making over $10 million right now, will command a $14 Million price tag next year IF he stays in AZ. I dont know what you think he will play in to then take an $11 Million pay cut. Maybe PFT is wrong on this, but thats $10 in straight money with no bonuses. NO way he comes to the Ravens given those numbers.

    If PFT is right, why would he take a pay cut to come here???
    Yes, I am. McGahee's cap number was right around $2m for a 7 year $40 million dollar deal. $2.095m to be exact. That includes $15m in guaranteed money.

    If Larry Fitz commands 150% of Mcgahee, seems roughly reasonable, that would be around $3m first year cap hit in a $7yr $60m deal with $22m in a 3 tiered Bonus, 12, 8 and then 4,

    You are confusing cap hit with payout. He would have a first year pay out of almsot $13m with a cap hit of $3... He would take tha tpaycut because he won't be receiving $14m in salary from ARI or anywhere this year. He may at some point in his career, btu not today. His contract was designed with this year as an out year. He will either restructure or be traded. It is irrational to pay that salary.




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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Yes, I am. McGahee's cap number was right around $2m for a 7 year $40 million dollar deal. $2.095m to be exact. That includes $15m in guaranteed money.

    If Larry Fitz commands 150% of Mcgahee, seems roughly reasonable, that would be around $3m first year cap hit in a $7yr $60m deal with $22m in a 3 tiered Bonus, 12, 8 and then 4,

    You are confusing cap hit with payout. He would have a first year pay out of almsot $13m with a cap hit of $3... He would take tha tpaycut because he won't be receiving $14m in salary from ARI or anywhere this year. He may at some point in his career, btu not today. His contract was designed with this year as an out year. He will either restructure or be traded. It is irrational to pay that salary.
    I see what you're saying now. My bad.

    You really think he will have that much in bonus and incentives though?
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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    N.O. has 3 reeivers as free agents (Patten, Henderson, Copper) and rumblings have Devery Henderson as a possible loss. (Colston, Meachem, and Moore and Ridgeway are there)
    Not that he is a prime one we need, but if he can be gotten cheaply enough, I offer the following stat comparison
    Darling 25yr old, 4yr vet, 20 career receptions, 16.6yd avg, 3TD, 1 fumble
    Henderson 25, 4yr vet, 74 career receptions, 20.2yd avg, 20TD, 0 fumble

    We'd give up 3 inches in height, but I seem to remember DD pulling up and a TD pass then sailing over his head for an incompletion.
    I have not been impressed with his route running or his hands, although he did seem to produce a little this year (finally after 3 years of zippo). And after all he did beat out Clarence Moore for the roster spot (whoopee! what an outstanding accomplishment )

    Maybe this would be a back-up upgrade?




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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    Henderson isn't an all round threat but he is a superb deep threat. He's not just got burning speed he actually understands how to run deep routes and get open and stay open on deep throws.

    He doesn't have a great deal else to his game but as a deep threat he's a pretty good one, wouldn't mind seeing him come in if we picked up a couple of guys at receiver this off season.




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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    I'd like to see Devery Henderson here...we passed on him at WR because he was a project and we couldn't develop WRs here...Be nice to see us grab him now that he's developed a bit.

    But, I also would like to see DVD get another shot here. He was injured year 1, and got buried on the depth chart years 2 and 3. Moore was given a lot more shots than he was, I think you'd have to acknowledge that.

    I think discounting the BIG WR pickups that would probably break the bank (Moss, Larry Fitzgerald trade, Roy Williams trade, Chad Johnson who is looking more crazy by the minute), our next best options are:

    Bernard Berrian...will probably get some big market dollar since he's the 2nd best FA WR
    Bryant Johnson...has looked pretty good for being a 3rd string WR, but he was also in pass happy Arizona (I can't even remember who starts in AZ at RB). Baltimore native, should be relatively cheap
    Devery Henderson...has shown the deep threat, needs to be polished to be a complete WR.
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    I love this discussion and have been all for the suggs for Fitz trade, but perhaps we should keep Suggs and try to get a WR with the top pick. They can extend some of the big contracts to create some cap room. Ogden took up a huge chunk and perhaps McNair and Ray will renegotiate.

    The WR talent here is not awful, but we do need a real number 1 to make our offense consistently good.

    WR (7) When the whole WR core is healthy it is a pretty nice group. Mason is an awesome slot/ possession guy you can put anywhere.
    Clayton is very good when healthy, but I wonder if he is big and tough enough to stay on the field.
    Williams I think will be a star WR next year. He was really improving all the time before the injuries, but I think he does have the goods to be a true #1 who you have to double if you don't have great corners.
    Darling was our best WR down the stretch, and he is the only guy who gives us any real physical presence at the position.
    Figures will get some big plays on offense occasionally also I think, so we are basically O.K. at the position, but I would prefer to be great at WR than most other spots.
    Ocho Stink never won a playoff game, but could help us. If we can get him for a second round pick, or any of them I would be happy with the group.




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    Re: Offseason Watch: Receivers

    Good points Jeremiah, but I don't see any top 10 picks in the WR bunch in this draft class. DeSean Jackson and Mario Manningham are the top WRs, but both of them are below 15 picks. I think we're more likely to look at WR in the 2nd, where we should be able to grab someone who slips from the first round.
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