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  1. Re: OT/ Same old Angelos



    Stan the fan (ok stop laughing), said on 1300 his source said that jones came back from venezuala a few weeks ago to take a physical and they had found that condition(deg hip). So thats why the O's wanted one too but not unheard of for most trades to go thru for any player really. I heard because of this possible condition they wanted more players to make the deal. SOO, if this rumor comes true and thats the only reason it was held up, ill give angelos the benefit of th doubt. The whole albert belle thing im sure has him a bit worried. (although i think he had an insurance policy to pay alberts salary)

    Just my 2 cents, its easy to blame sneaky pete, im going to wait this one out, if its all him for no reason but pete wanting to keep him for some reason, then its shame. If it turns out he does have this condition, then its not big pete, its the organization saying, no.
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    It's mean-spirited but I can't help but laugh at this Angelos loss: http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...,7984057.story

    If it was anybody else, I might have agreed but he has earned my scorn.




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    Re: OT/ Same old Angelos

    Hey, I don't like Angeloser either, but there's a new story at the Sun that says Angelos didn't nix the deal and the hip problem is unsubstantiated.
    Angelos didn't nix deal

    FWIW, read the Roch around the Clock blog. Roch Kubatko seems to be pretty fair in his reporting.
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    Not that Angelos hasn't done a ton to run down the franchise, but consider a couple of points:

    1. The OP who said that as fact Angelos slowed down this deal was a ridiculaous interpretation of the story. If you read it closely, the writer suggested that as a possible theory.

    2. This morning's paper, Andy McPhail said as fact that the issue is not Angelos. With a guy like McPhail running things, I think you'll see pretty quickly if/when Angelos meddles - McPhail will be gone, he doesn't need this.

    3. McPhail and Angelos have history, which is why AM came here. He said at the time that he would not have come unless he has complete authority over the baseball operations of the team. Hence #2 if Angelos interferes.

    By the way, the best most informed Os forum is Orioles Hangout at http://forum.orioleshangout.com/foru...isplay.php?f=2

    Check out the stats, they have tons more people online and messages posted than all the top Ravens forums combined! It's unreal.

    But my reason for posting, was to correct the absurd statement of fact of the OP - Angelos has done a lot of stuff that has hurt the team, but you need to read the article again.




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    The way I see it, if the worst thing that happens out of this is Bedard re-upping for 5 years, then I just dont' see how it's a bad thing.

    Why trade a proven commodity for 4 unproven commodities? There aren't sure things in baseball...




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    Re: OT/ Same old Angelos

    Lets count the number of talented pitchers we groom and then let walk out the door ....

    Curt Shilling
    Mike Mussina
    David Wells
    Kevin Brown

    .... I know Im leaving a bunch out but Im depressed already.
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    Re: OT/ Same old Angelos

    Ken Rosenthal was just on OTL on ESPN.

    His was talking about the Bedard trade and added that he thinks Roberts will be gone as well. He then made an odd comment, IMO ....

    He said all this gutting will make the Orioles BETTER then when they had Miggy, Bedard and Roberts all on the same team.

    Am I the only person that thinks he is nuts???
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    Well the only problem is the O's sucked with those guys. So maybe with some talented youth, some return to fundamentally strong baseball, some pitching, and some hustle the O's could be the slightest bit better.
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    Re: OT/ Same old Angelos

    Lets count the number of talented pitchers we groom and then let walk out the door ....

    Curt Shilling
    Mike Mussina
    David Wells
    Kevin Brown
    Shilling was traded with CF Finley and pitcher Harnish for Glenn Davis. A terrible, horrible trade but they didn't just leave for more money.

    We didn't groom Wells, we got him well into his career and Brown was also gotten after he had began to establish himself.

    Mussina is the only one mentioned that was groomed and then left here with nothing in return.




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    I don't claim to be an O's guy, but:

    Ben McDonald
    Scott Erickson
    Jamie Moyer

    Erickson if I remember correctly we gave a big extension to right before his arm disintegrated. Not sure.

    Greg?
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    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Ken Rosenthal was just on OTL on ESPN.

    His was talking about the Bedard trade and added that he thinks Roberts will be gone as well. He then made an odd comment, IMO ....

    He said all this gutting will make the Orioles BETTER then when they had Miggy, Bedard and Roberts all on the same team.

    Am I the only person that thinks he is nuts???
    This is NOT nuts.. WE had Roberts, Miggy and Bedard.... and who else? Jay waste Gibbons as a clean-up hitter? Huff ? Atrocious middle relief. Mora's best seasons were 3 years ago...Daniel Cabrera? Need I go on?




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    Re: OT/ Same old Angelos

    Ben McDonald
    Scott Erickson
    Jamie Moyer
    Erickson did indeed meltdown with injuries about halfway through his extension. Ben McDonald was an adequate at best starter for a few years after leaving here, we failed to develop him. Moyer wasn't groomed here, he was established before arriving. We shouldn't have let Moyer get away, however, he started to blossom toward the end of his time here and was very good for Seattle for years after.




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    Greg is indeed a wealth of O's knowledge ...

    I forgot about Scotty E. That's one dark dude. He used to hang out in Canton a lot and if the dude had one peice of clothing that wasnt black, I'd be shocked.

    He loved his vodka, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven
    Lets count the number of talented pitchers we groom and then let walk out the door ....

    Curt Shilling
    Mike Mussina
    David Wells
    Kevin Brown
    While I don't disagree with the general mood of this thread, I have to say these examples don't advance the argument -- we didn't "groom" David Wells or Kevin Brown, who came here as free agents from other teams. I'll agree about Mussina, which was a classic Angelos screwup, and I semi-agree about Schilling, although he came from the Red Sox, not from our farm system.

    Syd Twit's midseason trades from a few years back bugged me the most -- we got NOTHING from the B.J. Surhoff trade. Nothing but stiffs that never amounted to anything.




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    Re: OT/ Same old Angelos

    Quote Originally Posted by highwater View Post
    While I don't disagree with the general mood of this thread, I have to say these examples don't advance the argument -- we didn't "groom" David Wells or Kevin Brown, who came here as free agents from other teams. I'll agree about Mussina, which was a classic Angelos screwup, and I semi-agree about Schilling, although he came from the Red Sox, not from our farm system.

    Syd Twit's midseason trades from a few years back bugged me the most -- we got NOTHING from the B.J. Surhoff trade. Nothing but stiffs that never amounted to anything.
    I guess groom was the bad word to use ... more so reflecting on the talent we had at pitching and *poof* its gone.
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