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  1. #31

    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?



    Quote Originally Posted by camdenyard View Post
    Bisciotti is already paying Billick $15 million, so it's not the money he's worried about.

    Harbaugh absolutely should be allowed to pick the DC he wants with no interference. It's apparent that the FO is forcing Ryan on him. I have a feeling they forced Cameron on him too.
    Harbaugh and Cameron have a history together.
    Cameron was the head coach at Indiana University in 1997 when Harbaugh coached defensive backs and special teams for the Hoosiers. (Sun Link)

    Harbaugh was on Sirius shortly after he was hired, hoping ATL wouldn't sign Rex so he could.
    I don't get that Biscuit forced either of these guys on Harbaugh.

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  2. #32

    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    Coming into this discussion late, my 2 cents:


    1) I don't think that its necessarily apparent that the front office is forcing Ryan on harbaugh. He's a good coach, they have some connection, and what better DCs are there out there?

    2) I'm not sure that its bad for the FO to "force" some veteran coordinators (Cameron, Ryan, etc) on what is a young head coach with limited upper level experience AND who does NOT bring with him a offensive OR defensive system. That was one reason I wasn't initially enthused about the Harbaugh hire.

    3) I do agree that bringing back Ryan could have being a divisive decision vis a vis the lockerroom. I think he shouldn't be forced back.

    4) HOWEVER, I don't think its unreasonable to block him from moving 40 minutes down the street. Of all locations to go, that is the most unnacceptable besides going to another AFC North team. I think blocking this makes perfect sense. If he was moving to be DC of some team like the Seahawks, then thats a clean break for him and us. I don't think his moving down the highway into an adjacent, if not the same, market is an acceptable clean break. Its unnaceptable. It would be possibly as divisive if he's on TV talking mess on the Ravens, etc


    5) I don't think its clear that Rex still can't be an effective coordinator for us while we groom a new young gun to take that over.


    Really, the best solutions for all parties would have been for Rex to get the Atlanta job, but they didn't. Which makes me think that Rex isn't ready to be a headcoach just yet. Additionally, he made a lot of questionable decisions last year while our corners and best DE were hurt. he could have chilled out on the agressive blitzes a bit, but didn't and we often didn't have the coverage for that.


    In any case, I wish the best for Rex and the Ravens, but I think letting him go to the deadskins is unnacceptable if Harbaugh and the rest of the FO team wants him still.
    I hate the Skins as much as anyone but could care less if Ryan ended up there.

    Hell, Marvin Lewis went there for a year.

    Talkin mess about the Ravens on TV?

    You really think that's a factor or something to be worried about?

    I'd rather have Ryan on another team then here and disgruntled after being passed over for the HC job and then blocked from pursuing another DC job.

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  3. #33

    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    Yeah, I don't get this thing against him going to DC.

    I could care less...we play them once every 4 years, I could see if he were going to a division rival...but that isn't happening.

    If he wants to go, let him go.




  4. #34

    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    There's a lot of weird threads and intricacies to this story...

    1) No one in their right mind would rather work for Snyder than Bisciotti, I dont' care how badly he's hurt that he got passed over for our HC gig.

    2) The Redskins are going through almost exactly the same thing with Gregg Williams. The players apparently love him and have been lobbying for him to be named head coach (sound familiar?).

    3) Of course Harbaugh would want to keep Ryan. If he didn't he'd have spoken up by now. Or at least acknowledged that he's looking around. When things are good, you'd like continuity.

    4) I'm sick of hearing how the inmates run the asylum and blah blah blah. That wasn't the problem last year. The lack of discipline on defense is 90% to do with playing too physical. It's those 5 yard auto first downs. Yeah, Ray needs to shut his mouth sometimes, same with Suggs and Scott, but if you think bringing in a new DC will shut those guys up, you're crazy.




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    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    I don't remember, but maybe someone on here does -

    What was the situation when Mike Tomlin was hired with the Steelers? Eventually, he retained Dick LeBeau. Was there a lot of back and forth about ownership forcing LeBeau on him, etc, like we have here with Rex?

    I can't believe that Rex would rather go to Washington. All he would have to do is call Mike Nolan or Marvin Lewis and ask about their experience there. Coaching for Danny-Boy is never the right idea, especially without someone like Joe Gibbs there as a buffer.




  6. #36

    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    Quote Originally Posted by camdenyard View Post
    Harbaugh absolutely should be allowed to pick the DC he wants with no interference. It's apparent that the FO is forcing Ryan on him. I have a feeling they forced Cameron on him too.
    Such cynicism!

    There are several significant reasons why Harbaugh might want, on his very own, to keep Ryan around.

    1. They worked together in the past
    2. Ryan has been successful in the past with these players

    I understand all this "clean break" talk, but we could do a lot worse then keeping Rex Ryan.

    I just can't get over Jim Fassel getting serious consideration for a coaching position. I'm stuck at that.
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  7. #37

    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    To clarify, to have Rex go to DC is an issue because I think it could be equally as divisive to the lockerroom as his staying here disgruntled.


    Just imagine that the team could revolt under Ryan. Is it going to be any better if he goes to DC and has success (which I think he would with their personel) and for any reason our defense flounders (which it did this year giving up lots of points)?


    I'd rather Rex go a place like Atlanta so he's out-of-sight-out-of-mind. DC isn't even really a move for him. That just invites more second guessing of the move by players if Ryan had any measure of success in DC


    You block the move and either get a 3rd rounder for him, or make him come back here, or go somewhere NOT DC.




  8. Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    Some answers here as to what the partys involved think.

    Rex Ryan open to a return

    "The Washington Redskins and the New York Jets are reportedly interested in hiring Ryan as their coordinator, but Ryan said he had not heard from the Redskins as of Wednesday morning.'

    "Ryan is still under contract with the Ravens next season. When asked if it would be tough coaching in Baltimore again, Ryan said: “I don't know. I've been there for nine years. It would probably be pretty comfortable.”

    Harbaugh open to Ryan, Gansz

    "“I'm very hopeful that it works out,” Harbaugh said. “It's going to come down to what Rex wants to do. I know him, I trust him, I believe in him. I love the guy.”

    T,
    With all due respect, this type of contract is in no way comparable to what you do under contract.
    Like you, I also am old school with this type of stuff.
    If I sign up to do something, or give my word, then I'm going to fullfill that obligation.

    With that being said....
    What you do is not exposed to millions of people everyday being scrutinized and analyzed by the media in a very public way.
    You don't have employees with big egos making millions lobbying for you to get a job only to be passed over for an unknown.


    I'm personally not on the bandwagon of bringing Rex back as I think it could be a potential problem with some of the individuals in the lockerroom.

    If both Ryan and Harbaugh are comfortable with it (as it appears in those articles), then let it be so, but if this is Biscotti forcing it onto Harbaugh and Harbaugh is just going with the flow on this to keep Biscotti happy, then I got a real problem with this.

    This has to be Harbaughs and Ryans decision, and theirs alone to have it work right IMO.
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    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?


    This has to be Harbaughs and Ryans decision, and theirs alone to have it work right IMO.
    If (and this is a big if) Harb and Rex are 100% on the same page it could be a great asset. From the fact they have worked together in the past and apparently remained friends it is possible.

    Worst case scenario - all the clicking and dissention some of you mentioned...

    Best case scenario - Is Rex backs Harb, quells any problems with the team due to his knowledge and familiarity with the team. And if you have ever come in as a manager of anything with existing staff (or a coach with vets on the team) it is awful handy to have someone you can trust who already knows the personalities...

    So it is all up to Rex and Harb...
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  10. #40

    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    Ryan says he hasn't talked to the Skins, but the Wash Post says they have under the pretense of an interview for their still open HC spot.

    Ryan hasn't really said whether he wants to stay or go (publicly, at least).

    Harbaugh has - on several occasions - said he wants Ryan to return. Whether he's saying that because he really thinks that or is just stating the company line remains to be seen, but there have been no indications that he is not for it, so IMO, a lot of complaints about Bisciotti on this one seem a bit off base to me. At this point, I see nothing to indicate that we shouldn't be taking Harbaugh at this word.

    Since they haven't interviewed anyone else, it seems that they are intent on keeping him or are trying to negotiate compensation from the Skins.
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  11. #41

    So what is the real story with Rex and the Ravens?

    Do they want him back?

    Do they expect him to be back under his old contract with no extension/pay raise?

    Does Rex want to be back?

    Does Rex want to wait for the Redskins to choose thier HC spot before officially "settling" for a return as DC here or somewhere else?

    I mean, if you look at the Sun right after we hired Harbaugh, we were already in negotiations to keep Rex.

    Now, if you listen/read WNST, Nestor and Drew are basically ragging on the Ravens for stringing Rex along and not really wanting him back.

    Which is true? And please give something more than "NST/The Sun sucks and is always wrong"...because that is not the case for either.

    What do you want to happen now...Rex is not going to be HC in Washington w/o a miracle.

    How do you feel about him returning and do you think this whole process may make him bitter here? Do you want him back at all costs...potential consequences be damned? Or do you want him gone with all potential bad consequences be damned?




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    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Ryan says he hasn't talked to the Skins, but the Wash Post says they have under the pretense of an interview for their still open HC spot.

    Ryan hasn't really said whether he wants to stay or go (publicly, at least).

    Harbaugh has - on several occasions - said he wants Ryan to return. Whether he's saying that because he really thinks that or is just stating the company line remains to be seen, but there have been no indications that he is not for it, so IMO, a lot of complaints about Bisciotti on this one seem a bit off base to me. At this point, I see nothing to indicate that we shouldn't be taking Harbaugh at this word.

    Since they haven't interviewed anyone else, it seems that they are intent on keeping him or are trying to negotiate compensation from the Skins.


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    Re: So what is the real story with Rex and the Ravens?

    They are all valid ?'s, but us bitching about it on here doesn't help......I'm sure Biscuit has a gentleman's agreement with Rex...maybe a raise is in his future?




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    Re: So what is the real story with Rex and the Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    How do you feel about him returning and do you think this whole process may make him bitter here? Do you want him back at all costs...potential consequences be damned? Or do you want him gone with all potential bad consequences be damned?
    His return would be good just for transitional purposes for Harbaugh. I think things are going to be different starting in camp this year and if Rex is there as a sounding board for the D (Ray and Co.), it should help easing the burden for Harbs....either way, Harbaugh needs to assert himself within the team IMO!!!




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    Re: Ravens thwarting Redskins hiring of Rex Ryan?

    I know right? I came into this post very late... and held off until I read everything, and finally late int he 2nd page Fanatic brings some reason in that is followed up with some more.
    Everyone around here takes a little bit of info and runs with it worst case scenario....

    We look like fools for stopping Rex from going to DC?- HUh? FIrst he is under contract, second, he is good, third THe FO wants him to stay, 4th the coach has said he'd love to have him, 6th - he hasn't siad he doesn't want to be here and 7th, he hasn't said he wants to be in DC, or even interviewed?

    DC looks like fools...

    I was all about not wanting Rex Back. I thought he was part of the problem. Hearing comments from players wanting him back was enough for me. Now I have changed my mind. Since the FO obvioulsy wants him back, and the HC wants him to help out, I don't see how he could have been part of the problem. I'm aboard to bringing him back and can easily see how that could be accomplished.

    Why would Rex Come back? Been here for 9 years, wouldn't have to move, familiarity with the FO, would probably get a big raise/extension, and realistically, it should become obvious to him that HC is not in his future. I mean seriously, we hired Harbaugh, a long term ST coach, and the Falcons picked Mike SMith, who doesn't even really run his defense... Obviously all of these teams that have interviewed him have seen something.




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